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re: NY Times: Sondland Updates Impeachment Testimony, Describing Ukraine Quid Pro Quo
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:39 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:39 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Sondland did not lie, at least IAW today's clarification. Nor did he establish any QPQ Biden demand on Trump's part.
Speaking of lying to investigators
Clear?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:40 pm to lalouisiane
How does sondland know what others have testified? I thought it was done in behind closed down bc Schiff said he didn’t want someone’s testimony to be influenced by others?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:44 pm to NC_Tigah
This convo between Sondland and Trump was on September 9, same day that the whistleblower complaint got to Schiff.
Trump he mad (and covering tracks).
Trump he mad (and covering tracks).
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:48 pm to LSU Fan SLU Grad
You weren’t lying, this guy has page after page of posts with lame insults followed by a space and 2 exclamation marks. It’s hilarious and also disturbing 
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:57 pm to TigerDoc
quote:and?
What EXACTLY did Zelensky "run on"?
Cite Biden's name ANYWHERE in terms of what Zelensky "ran on"?
Take your time.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 4:59 pm to LSU Fan SLU Grad
quote:The "goalposts" were a Biden investigation QPQ . . . backatcha SLU Grad.
You guys have moved the goalposts so many times they’re out in the parking lot
Posted on 11/5/19 at 5:00 pm to TigerDoc
quote:The WBC got to Schiff before it was written.
same day that the whistleblower complaint got to Schiff.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 5:38 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Neither. His interpretation was Biden was part of the deal. When he verified with the WH, he was told there is no QPQ related to Biden. However, there was a desire to force EU contributions, and to ensure US money wasn't getting tossed into a corrupt sewer.
ZELENSKY:
quote:
We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
TRUMP:
quote:
I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 5:42 pm to lalouisiane
I wonder how many things they threatened him with to refresh his memory?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 5:47 pm to fjlee90
quote:
Congrats on completely discrediting yourself.
How exactly did he completely "discredit" himself?
By posting an article that reported on testimony given to Congress?
That's pretty extreme.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 6:18 pm to Janky
ZELENSKY:
TRUMP:
When the U.S. was ready to sell Javelins to Ukraine in 2018, Ukraine stopped cooperating with the Mueller investigation, AND put it's own investigation into Manafort into the deep freeze.
What a coincidence.
quote:
We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
TRUMP:
quote:
I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.
quote:
And?
When the U.S. was ready to sell Javelins to Ukraine in 2018, Ukraine stopped cooperating with the Mueller investigation, AND put it's own investigation into Manafort into the deep freeze.
What a coincidence.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 6:20 pm to texridder
I am not sure coincidence is something you want to try to argue on this.
However, can you prove your coincidence?
You know what, who cares? Lets vote now. Lets see how it plays out.
However, can you prove your coincidence?
You know what, who cares? Lets vote now. Lets see how it plays out.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:30 pm to Janky
Looks like many here have resorted to trying to descredit Sondland. This guy was handpicked by Trump and directly plugged into everything that went down. Of course he tried to pull the "I do not recall" routine at first. Now that the committee has more information he knew he had to come clean.
Now that it is established that there was a quid pro quo, we will hear more arguments that it doesn't matter, isn't an impeachable offense, or that Biden did it too.
Bottom line is he used US foreign policy for his own personal gain.
Now that it is established that there was a quid pro quo, we will hear more arguments that it doesn't matter, isn't an impeachable offense, or that Biden did it too.
Bottom line is he used US foreign policy for his own personal gain.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:46 pm to lalouisiane
I now do recall a conversation on September 1, 2019, in Warsaw with [Ukrainian official] Mr. Yermak. This brief pull-aside conversation followed the larger meeting involving Vice President Pence and President Zelensky, in which President Zelensky had raised the issue of the suspension of US aid to Ukraine directly with VP Pence. After that large meeting, I now recall speaking individually with Mr. Yermak, where I said that resumption of US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:50 pm to bmy
"In fact, Ambassador Sondland said ‘everything’ was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance,” Taylor testified.
Taylor testified that Trump wanted Zelensky “in a public box” by making a public statement about ordering the investigations
Taylor testified that Trump wanted Zelensky “in a public box” by making a public statement about ordering the investigations
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:46 pm to bmy
quote:.
I now do recall a conversation on September 1, 2019, in Warsaw with [Ukrainian official] Mr. Yermak. This brief pull-aside conversation followed the larger meeting involving Vice President Pence and President Zelensky, in which President Zelensky had raised the issue of the suspension of US aid to Ukraine directly with VP Pence. After that large meeting, I now recall speaking individually with Mr. Yermak, where I said that resumption of US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks
So was this Sondland’s take or did POTUS tell him this was the case?
That’s a very important distinction.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:19 am to John McClane
quote:
So was this Sondland’s take or did POTUS tell him this was the case?
That’s a very important distinction.
I don't know if we know this or not.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:36 am to John McClane
I agree. But you’d be hard pressed to find people who believe that Sondland would “go rogue” and act contrary to what Trump instructed him to say and do.
Trump can say “No quid pro quo” (but aside, make it clear to Sondland that he inform Ukraine officials that resumption of aid is dependent on the public anti-corruption statement.)
Trump can say “No quid pro quo” (but aside, make it clear to Sondland that he inform Ukraine officials that resumption of aid is dependent on the public anti-corruption statement.)
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:55 pm to bmy
If you don’t know this, then impeachment is dead in the water. Sondland is the key. If there is no evidence confirming a direct order for a QPQ, then this impeachment attempt will fall very short.
And that’s presuming that a QPQ is even inappropriate.
And that’s presuming that a QPQ is even inappropriate.
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