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re: NY Times: latest UFO article - crash retrievals (Tucker reporting it, pg. 6 and 12)
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:27 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:27 pm to ThinePreparedAni
so when will they be revealing this?
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Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:28 pm to BoarEd
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Supposedly they can be operated either by a pilot or in drone mode.
But how? Those things move in ways the human body can’t withstand. At around 9 G’s a well trained human pilot becomes worthless.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:29 pm to TiderTom
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Are they? Is the speed of light still considered the limiting factor?
Highly doubtful, imo. These things appear to manipulate space-time while in flight. They appear to be able to open wormholes. And if that's true, the speed of light has gone bye-bye. These things may be able to travel through time.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:29 pm to AUstar
It’s not necessarily aliens. I think most mass sightings have been ours. Belgium Wave, Hudson Valley Wave. Phoenix Lights, etc. Thousands of people saw these things. The phenomenon is real. The only question is who is operating these vehicles. And yes, I’m down with the Fermi Paradox and understand just how freakin far away everything is. I study astrophysics too. I think there is an outside chance the Nazis were successful in their movement to creat antigravity type craft with electromagnetism (because they didn’t have oil), and those prototypes may have been the craft people talk about starting just after the war in 1947 (crashed or not). It’s possible, although slim. If it is aliens or whatever, I lean to them being inter dimensional or extra dimensional.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:31 pm to jcaz
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But how? Those things move in ways the human body can’t withstand. At around 9 G’s a well trained human pilot becomes worthless.
I'm not a physicist so don't quote me, but the way I understand it is that when they're operational they sorta sit inside their own closed off space-time loop. No g-forces will be felt inside the craft.
Same reason why they can move at high speed through the water and take them all the way to the bottom of the ocean. The water doesn't ever touch the craft itself. They have like a force field ala Star Wars.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:32 pm to BoarEd
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It's going to completely revolutionize the entire world.
Not that it desperately needs it or anything !
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:33 pm to TiderTom
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Are they? Is the speed of light still considered the limiting factor?
Yes Einstein proved it is the universal speed limit back in 1905. Nothing with mass can travel at c (speed of light). Nothing in the theory of relativity has ever been proved wrong - indeed it has massive backing from many experiments and observations.
However, one guy named Alcubierre wrote a PhD dissertation where he played around with Einstein's field equations and proved that faster than light travel is possible if you "warp" the spacetime around you. If you can do that, then relativity says traveling FTL is perfectly possible. However, Alcubierre says you need exotic matter to achieve this and exotic matter (with negative mass) might not actually exist in the real universe.
It's the same thing with wormholes. In order to hold a wormhole open, you need exotic matter, which again, might not actually exist. But physicists have shown mathematically it can work while being perfectly compatible with relativity.
If aliens are traveling here, they are most certainly doing it with warp drives (spacetime manipulation) and not just traveling directly through space. But when you do this, it opens all kinds of weird time travel paradoxes.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:34 pm to AUstar
Scientists have the estimates at the minimum of around 10000 in our galaxy.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:38 pm to AUstar
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. In order to hold a wormhole open, you need exotic matter, which again, might not actually exist. But physicists have shown mathematically it can work while being perfectly compatible with relativity.
Ok. Well, here's the thing. The craft exist and they appear to be able to traverse worm holes. We have had people explain how they operate and the official video released of the craft shows forensic evidence that seems consistent with Lazar's stated method of propulsion (gravity amplification).
So, in my eyes, the exotic matter obviously does exist. That's how you actually go about explaining the evidence. Plus, I'm sure TPA would gladly provide you the Cesar Pilas (is this his name?) patents on all this stuff.
They very clearly use some form of exotic matter when you look at their capabilities.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:42 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Scientists discovered that with quantum physics/mechanics there can be up to 11 dimensions. That’s a fascinating rabbit hole to go down. It opens doors that people never thought possible, like our own reality/consciousness. Over 100 years and scientists are still lost. Quantum entanglement is wild shite. You can spends months reading these topics or watching YT videos.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:51 pm to AUstar
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Also, unless the aliens are flying in on generational ships, they are bound by the speed of light which makes travelling between stars very hard and arduous.
I'm not a huge UFO nut or anything, but I do believe that there's intelligent life out there. I believe that it's very rare like you said, and there may be a handful of cognizant life forms in our entire galaxy of billions of planets.
That being said, being limited by the speed of light is a human construct and something we're even exploring and questioning ourselves. On the grand scale in which our multi-BILLION-year-old universe exists, human life is merely a small blip on the end of the timeline.
Humanity is still in the "thousands" of years old, and up until 100-150 years ago we barely even had the most simple of machines and technology. Look how far technology, exploration, and science have come in even the last 50 years.
There's no limiting factor, other than the age of the universe itself, to the age of any extraterrestrial life form. There may be some that are barely functional and "younger" than us as a species, there may be some that are billions of years old and infinitely advanced. The odds say that both exist out there somewhere, and every level in between.
To say that space travel is limited by the speed of light universally is not a known fact, as these species that potentially have millions-billions of years on us could've easily figured out otherwise.
We also limit our idea of space travel to the lifespan of a human. We could be correct that travel is limited to the speed of light and that might be a universal fact, but these outside life forms could live to be a million years old; whereas a multi-thousand year trip through space is like a long road trip to us. One earth year could go by like a second to them, at least in comparison to their lifespan.
TLDR - there's lots of things like lightspeed and lifespans that we only look at in human terms, and it really limits our imaginations as to what could be possible out there.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:53 pm to xxTIMMYxx
1/5 stars has an Earth analog, scientists say now.
But, bear in mind that 70% of stars are red dwarfs. You can’t see them with the naked eye. They think most of the planets in the goldy locks zone on those are tidally locked, like our moon with one side facing the star at all times. Other issues arise with the regular ejection of high power solar wind from the stars too that sterilize the planets.
But, bear in mind that 70% of stars are red dwarfs. You can’t see them with the naked eye. They think most of the planets in the goldy locks zone on those are tidally locked, like our moon with one side facing the star at all times. Other issues arise with the regular ejection of high power solar wind from the stars too that sterilize the planets.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:54 pm to BoarEd
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The proof was already provided months ago by the DoD. They released three different video, acknowledged their existence, and explained the craft are unknown to them.
Proof has already been had. Now we are learning more about them.
What was " admitted to " isn't proof of anything other than the US Navy claiming the incidents occurred and they've no idea what the pilots or radar operators saw.
That's it.
We - the public - don't know a damn thing more than they've released. ( speaking of the '04 and '15 incidents )
Are they ours?
Are they another nation's ?
Are they terrestrial ?
What ARE they?
Where did they come from?
What purpose do they serve ?
Best I can tell, the 'objects' , whether drones ( likely ) or craft with on board pilots, they seemed quite unconcerned about being spotted. They only seemed to take notice when we tried to engage them.
I'm neither dismissing anything, nor am I jumping with both feet into declaring them as being ET's.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 5:54 pm to BoarEd
From a different thread
Many should read the other NY Times thread as many of the topics/questions are reviewed there...
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The literal savior of the country (Salvatore Pais) has spoken...
Energy from the vacuum (compare this with post to follow)
Buckle up Jetsons...
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks
His comments:
It will be a glorious day
Here is what the detractors say:
Again, it cannot exist in my worldview, so it does not exist
Esoteric science
“The things that should not be...”
—
Pertinent to this thread
One must consider the following scenarios or combination thereof:
Our visitors may not be traversing interstellar space. They may be interdimensional in nature (living alongside us)
There may be a co-evolved intelligence (that lives within the earth and in/under the oceans) that has survived prior surface cataclysms and has adapted to living in the earth (bipedal, large cranial vault/ eye, less developed musculature as their tech/environment has changed them).
We may have a breakthrough civilization that literally and figuratively went underground (Nazis)
Some of the crashes may have been Bracewell probes (Advances AI) left by a biological intelligence that activates at different stages of our development to guide/monitor us. We may have back engineered these to develop our tech (which is pushing for AI)
Our future selves may be visiting our past selves. We left ourselves some items to advance the timeline
We (humanity) may be “their” experiment (hence the non-interference aspect...)
Many should read the other NY Times thread as many of the topics/questions are reviewed there...
—-
The literal savior of the country (Salvatore Pais) has spoken...
Energy from the vacuum (compare this with post to follow)
Buckle up Jetsons...
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks
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The Secretive Inventor Of The Navy's Bizarre 'UFO Patents' Finally Talks
Dr. Salvatore Pais has finally spoken to The War Zone concerning his seemingly out of this world patents filed on behalf of the U.S. Navy.
BY BRETT TINGLEYJANUARY 22, 2020
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Over the last six months, The War Zone has been deeply reporting on a set of bizarre patents assigned to the U.S. Navy. The patents, which are all the product of a single inventor, truly sound like the stuff of science fiction and include high-temperature superconductors, gravitational wave generators, compact fusion reactors, and high-energy electromagnetic field generators. Most radical of all is the “hybrid aerospace-underwater craft” claimed to be able to “engineer the fabric of our reality at the most fundamental level” by seemingly bending the laws of physics as we know them. Together, these patents seem to be the building blocks of a vehicle with truly out-of-this-world, UFO-like performance. As part of our reporting, we have been working to better understand the mind behind this mysterious intellectual property. Now, the elusive Dr. Salvatore Cezar Pais has spoken to The War Zone.
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Dr. Pais recently published a new academic paper in the IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science journal detailing his work on his Plasma Compression Fusion Device. That device, the patent for which The War Zone has previously reported on, is a compact fusion reactor claimed to be capable of creating a net energy gain, a breakthrough that would revolutionize energy production if truly feasible.
His comments:
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The fact that my work on the design of a Compact Fusion Reactor was accepted for publication in such a prestigious journal as IEEE TPS, should speak volumes as to its importance and credibility - and should eliminate (or at least alleviate) all misconceptions you (or any other person) may have in regard to the veracity (or possibility) of my advanced physics concepts.
Mr. Tingley, do realize that my work culminates in the enablement of the Pais Effect (original physical concept). The Pais Effect comprises the generation of extremely high electromagnetic energy fluxes (and hence high local energy densities) generated by controlled motion of electrically charged matter (from solid to plasma states) subjected to accelerated vibration and/or accelerated spin, via rapid acceleration transients. Such high energy EM radiation can locally interact with the Vacuum Energy State (VES) - the VES being the Fifth State of Matter (Fifth Essence - Quintessence), in other words the fundamental structure (foundational framework), from which Everything else (Spacetime included) in our Quantum Reality, emerges.
The Engineering of the Pais Effect can give rise to the Enablement of Macroscopic Quantum Coherence, which if you have closely been following my work, you understand the importance of. I must stress that all this work (patents, patent applications and technical papers) was conducted as a NAVAIR/ NAWCAD employee, and that my current position with Navy SSP has absolutely no bearing or in any way, shape or form has anything to do with this advanced physics work.
Thank you for your interest in my physics concepts, and try to keep an open mind in regard to my work.
Respectfully, Sal Salvatore Cezar Pais, Ph.D. A.D. MMXIX
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Despite Dr. Pais’ insistence that the Pais Effect is indeed a real phenomenon and the assurance that NAVAIR’s Chief Technology Officer gave the USPTO, we have been unable to find a single scientist or engineer who can corroborate the claims made in Dr. Pais’s patents. Nevertheless, in another correspondence, Dr. Pais assured The War Zone that “as far as the doubting SMEs [subject matter experts] are concerned, my work shall be proven correct one fine day…”.
It will be a glorious day
Here is what the detractors say:
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According to Willis, Dr. Pais' most recent work represents "a classic case of pathological science." Willis says the literature for the plasma compression fusion device contains invented jargon, nonsensical statements, weak or absent evidence of an informed theoretical basis, an "overabundance of nebulous adjectives and adverbs instead of meaningful quantities in technical writing," and "lots of statements made in passing that seem to contradict basic and accepted physics." Willis says that Dr. Pais "references subjects that have consistently been plagued with pathological science and popular misunderstanding for decades, such as vacuum energy. It's hard not to suspect he's either drinking the kool-aid himself, or just chumming the waters for the kind of people who do." Still, even Willis notes that "this case is mildly unusual in that the author has a Ph. D. and is employed by the government, his patents are assigned to the government, and the paper is slated to appear in a rather widely-read IEEE outlet. However, these facts in no way temper my view that this is all basically nonsense--it just raises additional questions about the cui bono of this particular case."
Again, it cannot exist in my worldview, so it does not exist
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As we continue to report on the extraordinary claims of Dr. Salvatore Pais and the inventions he has patented on behalf of the Navy, we continue to find scientists who suggest that the intended audience of these patents may not, in fact, be the scientific or aerospace communities as these patents and their supporting publications contain what most would call pseudoscience and empty jargon. Still, as we noted earlier, there are decades of research into similar approaches at breakthrough propulsion technologies or so-called "space time metric engineering", much of it U.S. government-funded.
Esoteric science
“The things that should not be...”
—
Pertinent to this thread
One must consider the following scenarios or combination thereof:
Our visitors may not be traversing interstellar space. They may be interdimensional in nature (living alongside us)
There may be a co-evolved intelligence (that lives within the earth and in/under the oceans) that has survived prior surface cataclysms and has adapted to living in the earth (bipedal, large cranial vault/ eye, less developed musculature as their tech/environment has changed them).
We may have a breakthrough civilization that literally and figuratively went underground (Nazis)
Some of the crashes may have been Bracewell probes (Advances AI) left by a biological intelligence that activates at different stages of our development to guide/monitor us. We may have back engineered these to develop our tech (which is pushing for AI)
Our future selves may be visiting our past selves. We left ourselves some items to advance the timeline
We (humanity) may be “their” experiment (hence the non-interference aspect...)
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:01 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Over the last six months, The War Zone has been deeply reporting on a set of bizarre patents assigned to the U.S. Navy.
From the article today
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Despite Pentagon statements that it disbanded a once-covert program to investigate unidentified flying objects, the effort remains underway — renamed and tucked inside the Office of Naval Intelligence, where officials continue to study mystifying encounters between military pilots and unidentified aerial vehicles.
The fact that the Navy is the lead dept is a tell
The phenomena and water are typically tied together...
I believe they are based there (either residing or hiding there when in our reality)
These crafts and what we are striving to build can traverse water, air, or space (“propulsion“ through multiple mediums)
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:04 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I keep seeing the word "proof" in this thread when it should be substituted with "evidence". If there was proof of anything this wouldn't be a discussion anymore
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:08 pm to AURaptor
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I'm neither dismissing anything, nor am I jumping with both feet into declaring them as being ET's.
Me either. I'm not dismissing them, nor claiming them to be ET. I am about 100% certain that the technology displayed during the Nimitz Encounter was our stuff, not ET's.
But at the same time, this particular thread topic is about the crash retrieval teams, and this has been a very persistent topic for many years. In this particular case, I do believe that they have retrieved tech from elsewhere, as they say.
So I guess in a way I am saying this is probably ET tech ultimately, but the tech on display with the Nimitz was ours, I think. Likely reverse engineered from what they have sitting in that hangar at S4, south of Area 51.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:11 pm to Corso
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keep seeing the word "proof" in this thread when it should be substituted with "evidence
Well, I said they're "proven" in the sense that we have seen the damn video that was officially released with official acknowledgement of their existence by the Department of Defense.
I guess it isn't absolute proof positive, but other than getting inside one yourself, I don't know how you could ever prove they exist.
Maybe I can word it differently. The videos released by the Pentagon PROVE that, at a bare minimum, the Gov is trying to convince us they're real. And the video itself is proof of SOMETHING engaging the USS Nimitz.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:13 pm to BlackAdam
I had to look up Jesse Marcel and your last part about dementia, I could not follow. BUT, the Marcel info is interesting. Thanks for that.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:29 pm to ThinePreparedAni
for the patents information. I totally butchered his name. 
It occurs to me that if what this guy is saying is true (Navy defends the guy), then we aren't getting the truth about their capabilities at all. Instead of going anywhere on the planet in "under an hour", you could actually go anywhere on the planet instantaneously or perhaps even arrive before you left.
It's absolutely nuts the implications of all this.
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