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re: NY AG: Trump doesn't have constitutional authority to attack sanctuary cities
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Funny how quickly this board's love for the 10th Amendment has magically disappeared
look i agree (hence the caps in OP)
but
conservatives can at least say "well we're living under the law laid down in the Arizona case" and making the current legal system work for our world view. liberals defending sanctuary cities like the NYAG is literally arguing against the very argument they used in that Arizona case, now claiming that the USSC was wrong in its ruling (i'm not even sure b/c his stance is so stupid)
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:47 pm to joshnorris14
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The Founder's fricked up when they allowed for birthright citizenship.
that's a 14th Amendment issue, so not the Founders
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's a 14th Amendment issue, so not the Founders
You're correct, I lump the first 100 years together
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:48 pm to TrueTiger
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I'm still on board with states rights.
i am, too, but we don't live in that system. i have an idealistic view of policy and a realistic view of policy
this is kind of like the "you can't accept Medicare if you don't believe in it" argument that totally denies what reality is
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Funny how quickly this board's love for the 10th Amendment has magically disappeared
And equally funny how sacrosanct it now is to Progressives.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:50 pm to Mo Jeaux
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And equally funny how sacrosanct it now is to Progressives.
just like the faux support for "free markets"
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
If the republican controlled feds want to deliver cities to future democratic vote, I'm all for that.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:51 pm to Pax Regis
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:52 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
The complaints to libs about the size and scope of the leviathan have been ignored for decades.
Maybe now that the full fury of the beast is turned on them will they finally understand.
Let Trump wreck shite for a while and then let's all vote in Rand to dismantle the beast.
Maybe now that the full fury of the beast is turned on them will they finally understand.
Let Trump wreck shite for a while and then let's all vote in Rand to dismantle the beast.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:53 pm to MusclesofBrussels
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The U.S. Supreme Court has held that for Congress to impose conditions on the receipt of federal dollars by states, those conditions must be reasonably related to the purpose of the money
Federal school money to pay for illegal's kids will be the easiest case to argue.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not a lawyer, but if immigration is a federal responsibility, the 10th isn't in play, correct?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Wouldn't this be a little more complicated since it'd be related to funding indirectly tied to policy rather than outright state law (like AZ)?
Regardless, I'll tell my liberal friends roughly the same thing I told them about fearing executive power: if you don't want the feds to be able to screw you like this, don't give them so much power. Same thing applies to the executive branch in general. We should not have an imperial presidency.
Regardless, I'll tell my liberal friends roughly the same thing I told them about fearing executive power: if you don't want the feds to be able to screw you like this, don't give them so much power. Same thing applies to the executive branch in general. We should not have an imperial presidency.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trump lacks the constitutional authority to cut off funding from the city.
Good luck with that, Schneiderman.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Funny how quickly this board's love for the 10th Amendment has magically disappeared
Except immigration IS DELEGATED to the Federal Government. The only question has ever been whether federal law preempts in this area. Nice try, Charlie Day.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:55 pm to TBoy
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If the republican controlled feds want to deliver cities to future democratic vote, I'm all for that.
Which sanctuary cities voted for Trump?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:57 pm to joshnorris14
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The Founder's fricked up when they allowed for birthright citizenship. We'll have to fix it by any means necessary
The founders didn't provide for that. Even if you think the 14th Amendment does provide birth right citizenship, the founders were dead and buried by 1868.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:58 pm to TrueTiger
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The complaints to libs about the size and scope of the leviathan have been ignored for decades.
Maybe now that the full fury of the beast is turned on them will they finally understand.
oh i fricking laid this all out on FB earlier today with a progressive friend looking for "gotchas"
no response from her (although admittedly i did get some e-high fives from random libs who were like "...yeah....")
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:00 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Not a lawyer, but if immigration is a federal responsibility, the 10th isn't in play, correct?
yes
plus the USSC just ruled that states can't even enact their own state policies that conflict with federal regs b/c of the federal domain in this area. so....yeah, this is a really, REALLY shitty argument
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
If Progressive want to agree about the 10th Amendment, let's go ahead and dismantle the unconstitutional agency regime we've lived under since the new deal. Congress can finally stop abrogating their constitutional responsibility.
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