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re: Nvidia and TSMC unveil first Blackwell chip wafer made in U.S.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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How is stating correct economic info "Taco?"
This question is too nonsensical to answer.
Eta
What I mean is there have been instances where trump either threatened or initiated a targeted tariff, only to reverse course once the target does what the US wanted them to do. I've seen you, TA, and basically every leftist on this board use those strategic activites to claim Trump is chickening out on tariffs.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 11:44 am
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:41 am to GRTiger
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This question is too nonsensical to answer.
I dont get your point.
TACO is Trump flip flopping. I gave my view, which is simply the predominant economic theory regarding tariffs.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:44 am to Penrod
Id be surprised is Xi is even around in a year, the sharks are circling domestically.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:47 am to GRTiger
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to claim Trump is chickening out on tariffs.
I call it responding to real world economics.
His populism is the exact opposite of that, will not work and will always need revising.
Donny is a utopian like progressives and thinks his unorthodox moves will somehow work, despite tons of evidence to the contray.
He will always have to revise his economic plans because they will not work.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
And my opinion is you aren't seeing the actual way he is using tariffs. The TACO thing was born of leftist ignorance. That you latched onto it isn't confidence inspiring in your ability to see the playing field.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:50 am to GRTiger
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And my opinion is you aren't seeing the actual way he is using tariffs.
Neither does he.
His rollout chart proved he was either lying to you, or completely ignorant of what he was holding.
I think he believes his base is dumb and will eat up whatever he tells them, and i agree.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
I think it would be fair to say that Trump and his hoardes of advisors have a bit better vision than either of us on this. I don't think it does you any good to presume Trump must be flying blind since you are.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:02 pm to GRTiger
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think it would be fair to say that Trump and his hoardes of advisors have a bit better vision than either of us on this.
I dont know how you could watch his tariff rollout and say that. Someone, somewhere was wrong, badly wrong.
I guess the damage was done, the rubes believed him.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And we are fighting them with economically damaging policies to our own consumer.
No doubt. There is no other way to stop them from gaining critical strategic monopolies. I want to compare this to monopolistic behavior in many companies. Our anti-trust policies break up these budding monopolies, which has short term damaging effects on the economy (predatory pricing is good for consumers until the trap is sprung). But the long term effects are good. Similarly China is engaged in these policies writ large. We cannot just order the breakup of the resulting monopolies, but we have to combat them somehow or else we will pay an egregious price one day.
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Odds are when they fall, we do too.
No, I don’t agree. We will suffer supply jolts that will be less severe because of the price, you correctly point out, that we are paying now.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I dont know how you could watch his tariff rollout and say that. Someone, somewhere was wrong, badly wrong
1. I think we've proved over and over that you and I have wildly different thought processes.
2. I don't see it your way because I didn't jump to conclusions early and therefore don't feel the need to see everything in a way that fits into my preconceived notion.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:23 pm to Penrod
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No, I don’t agree.
A 20 trillion dollar economy failing would have catastrophic effects across the globe. I dont think we would be immune.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:25 pm to GRTiger
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Im just looking at the facts. He sold you on reciprocal tariffs and presented to you something completely different, something that didnt match anything he was saying.
I dont think yall even noticed.
Or care.
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I don't see it your way because I didn't jump to conclusions early
Im just looking at the facts. He sold you on reciprocal tariffs and presented to you something completely different, something that didnt match anything he was saying.
I dont think yall even noticed.
Or care.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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A 20 trillion dollar economy failing would have catastrophic effects across the globe. I dont think we would be immune.
I don’t either. But I don’t think we fall. It’s just an event for us. Maybe a deepish recession. Ten years on we’ve forgotten it, but they’ll be mired in it for decades.
Anyway, there’s nothing we can do about it except prepare by reshoring everything critical and finding alternative foreign suppliers for the rest. Or hell, keep buying that stuff from China.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:30 pm to trinidadtiger
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Id be surprised is Xi is even around in a year, the sharks are circling domestically.
I just have no understanding of them, so I have no idea what they’ll do.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:30 pm to Penrod
I think we're seeing the beginnings of our future technocracy here. Govt and BigTech becoming one.
Kind of scary.
Kind of scary.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think we're seeing the beginnings of our future technocracy here. Govt and BigTech becoming one.
Kind of scary.
Maybe so. I worry about that too. AI will be an accelerant to this. Two or three companies could become so dominant we can’t control them. And if we do, if the government confiscates their tech, then government becomes just as powerful. Scary stuff.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He will always have to revise his economic plans because they will not work.
They worked in his first term.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think we're seeing the beginnings of our future technocracy here. Govt and BigTech becoming one.
Kind of scary.
It's probably the most concerning thing about Trump. He has gotten way to chummy with the tech oligarchs.
But to be fair, that went back to the Obama years
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What many fail to see and don’t want to is that Trump is better at business than most thought. He uses this as his best political talent. Example he wanted a agreement in the ME faster than the Dept of State and it’s giant bloated beached carcass could/would deliver. He used his inner circle to get it done.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:16 pm to jmarto1
quote:TMSC needs to move all major chip production out of Taiwan as a national security measure.
Taiwan is going to scramble trying to figure out how to maintain our protection
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