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re: Now that this debt ceiling agreement has passed, can Gaetz get McCarthy removed as SOH?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:00 am to moneyg
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:00 am to moneyg
He did as well as he could and showed more spine than the AOC wing ever did with their side a few years ago. But, in the end, the center wins and the Patriot/America First movement, whatever it is, is basically a nuisance.
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:01 am to RCDfan1950
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Heard that Bannon is endorsing Lumer to primary MTG: Loomer is moving into MTG's District. That will be interesting.
I'm sure the folks who live there are just thrilled to have two crazy women having a cat-fight over that House seat, one of them who just moved there. These people are such an embarrassment.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
From a purely Xs and Os perspective:
Probably should if they want to show that they actually have teeth
Ultimately, no
They prove they have no teeth and the America First movement is officially dead
Depends on how the process goes. If it's like the first speaker election, they prove they're a force to be reckoned with. If they just go through the motions and waste a morning, the coalition is dead.
The smart move is moving around in the background now. Try seeing if yu have enough votes to make KM uncomfortable. If not, hit social media and let the public know that the Republicans are in kahoots with the democrats. Post names, get some cash, maybe scrape up a few grassroots movements to get you a handful more seats in the next election.
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Will Gaetz (or someone in his Patriot coalition) file to remove KM as SOH?
Probably should if they want to show that they actually have teeth
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Can that coalition get the support to remove KM as SOH?
Ultimately, no
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If that coalition is unwilling to remove KM, what are the long-term effects?
They prove they have no teeth and the America First movement is officially dead
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If the coalition is willing, but unable, to remove KM, what are the long-term effects?
Depends on how the process goes. If it's like the first speaker election, they prove they're a force to be reckoned with. If they just go through the motions and waste a morning, the coalition is dead.
The smart move is moving around in the background now. Try seeing if yu have enough votes to make KM uncomfortable. If not, hit social media and let the public know that the Republicans are in kahoots with the democrats. Post names, get some cash, maybe scrape up a few grassroots movements to get you a handful more seats in the next election.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:03 am to moneyg
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Hijacked? What a strange way of looking at this.
He had a small population of holdouts to stop the nomination process to make demands.
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If you think think this deal is a disaster you will realize that Gaetz was right to take a stand even if he didn't succeed.
Gaetz failed in making any real difference and marginalized any policy sentiments regarding spending less. He made this toxic.
But he fought!
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On the biggest issue this congress will face, McCarthy did what everyone opposed to him said he would do. He "folded" and gave the Dems everything they wanted.
And there was no realistic opportunity otherwise b/c of how Gaetz and his small band of supported fricked up the discourse.
But he fought!
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:03 am to moneyg
Gaetz could go nuclear if he had a few partners
1) tell repubs to remove McCarthy or he will vote for a dem speaker
1) tell repubs to remove McCarthy or he will vote for a dem speaker
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't know man.... I respect your post but I don't know if any of it matters. All of this has played out before and the federal government continues to get worse. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Until a third party(conservative) is strong enough to influence elections, there is no motivation for anything to change in DC.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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What I want is irrelevant to this thread.
Way to go out on a limb there chief
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:05 am to Knartfocker
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If that coalition is unwilling to remove KM, what are the long-term effects?
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They prove they have no teeth and the America First movement is officially dead
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:05 am to jb4
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Gaetz could go nuclear if he had a few partners
The problem is his number of "partners" decreased exponentially yesterday. He's marginalized himself
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:05 am to jb4
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Gaetz could go nuclear if he had a few partners
1) tell repubs to remove McCarthy or he will vote for a dem speaker
Democrats praying this will happen. Soros already sending money for it.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Or, the Patriot/MAGA movement isn't very strong.
It's obviously not strong enough to overcome Republican establishment joining Democrats. What's your point?
The Patriot/MAGA movement is on the right side of the issue. The other side of the issue is destructive.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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My thesis is spelled out in OP and it has nothing to with what I "want"
That's only because you aren't bold enough to state what you want.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:13 am to moneyg
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The Patriot/MAGA movement is on the right side of the issue.
Sometimes. Rarely these days with their embrace of Leftism. A broken clock is right 2x/day, as well.
The Patriot/MAGA movement made fiscal responsibility toxic.
I want actual spending decreases and they were drunken spenders 2016-2020, but now tried to use a fundraising effort around a 180 and being fiscally responsible, using methods nobody like and making that discussion become persona non grata for this cycle.
They fricked it all up and we are worse for it.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:14 am to moneyg
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That's only because you aren't bold enough to state what you want.
I want less spending
MAGA/Patriots mostly do not, especially with all their leftism, unless they can use it to fundraise, and then they make it toxic.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Gaetz failed in making any real difference
Hard to argue there
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and marginalized any policy sentiments regarding spending less. He made this toxic
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And there was no realistic opportunity otherwise b/c of how Gaetz and his small band of supported fricked up the discourse
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:19 am to moneyg
[quote]It's obviously not strong enough to overcome Republican establishment joining Democrats. What's your point?
The Patriot/MAGA movement is on the right side of the issue. The other side of the issue is destructive.[/quote]
Just going to go out on a limb here and say that's the point. No matter what happens, the status quo keeping on chugging along.
SFP, myself, and a lot of posters here want to know or at least think of a way to actually tip the power centers.
What's the next best step if/when the Gaetz coalition fails?
The Patriot/MAGA movement is on the right side of the issue. The other side of the issue is destructive.[/quote]
Just going to go out on a limb here and say that's the point. No matter what happens, the status quo keeping on chugging along.
SFP, myself, and a lot of posters here want to know or at least think of a way to actually tip the power centers.
What's the next best step if/when the Gaetz coalition fails?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:19 am to moneyg
You laugh, and the results are on the table in black and white.
Jim Jordan, Gatez's nominee for SOH, was backed into a corner and had to accept the deal b/c of how badly MAGA/patriots fricked this up
Think about how colossal of a failure that is, if you can think about this objectively and rationally (and not in terms of your team).
Jim Jordan, Gatez's nominee for SOH, was backed into a corner and had to accept the deal b/c of how badly MAGA/patriots fricked this up
Think about how colossal of a failure that is, if you can think about this objectively and rationally (and not in terms of your team).
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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The problem is his number of "partners" decreased exponentially yesterday. He's marginalized himself
Your read on this is backwards. You think Gaetz lost partners yesterday. You think his gang of 20 is smaller than it was?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:20 am to Knartfocker
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What's the next best step if/when the Gaetz coalition fails?
It's already here and it's fetishizing apocalyptic fantasies
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:If Gaetz and Boebert start a motion to remove McCarthy, does that deal go out the window?
He had a small population of holdouts to stop the nomination process to make demands.
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