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re: Now That the Culture Seems to Be Shifting, Will We See Music Groups Like The Eagles.....

Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:25 pm to
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That's what you described in your examples of new music.

You're just suffering from the Endowment Effect with "your" music.


LOL.

I was a professional musician in the 90s. I still write, record, and release music today. In fact, I just recorded some guitar tracks earlier today.

I AM today's musician. "My" music is what I release currently...literally.

And I am under no delusion that I am doing anything original. Nor is anyone else I hear. I still do it because I love to do it, but I am under no delusion that anything any of us are doing is on par with what the Beatles were doing in the 60s or David Bowie or Pink Floyd were doing in the 70s or U2 or Van Halen was doing in the 80s.

The art form has simply gone about as far as it can go. That happens with every art form, btw.

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So...covers?


No. Not covers.

Asking that reveals that you aren't very musical yourself or you would understand what new ideas Zeppelin brought to the art form they built upon.

Look, I'm sorry you aren't old enough to live during a time when people were still reflecting the unique aspects of your generation in musical form, but that's not my problem.

And finally, I'm not the only one who says music used to be (much) better. People have actually studied this using objective criteria: Music Radar
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:29 pm to
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I was a professional musician in the 90s.


Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:30 pm to
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Music died in the 90’s.

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Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:33 pm to
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I was a professional musician in the 90s. I still write, record, and release music today. In fact, I just recorded some guitar tracks earlier today..

Your argument from authority (that doesn't address my comments ) is noted.

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I AM today's musician. "My" music is what I release currently...literally

Brother, if you were a musician in the 90s, you're old now.

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Asking that reveals that you aren't very musical yourself or you would understand what new ideas Zeppelin brought to the art form they built upon.

I mean some of their early stuff was literally covers (that they didn't give credit to the OG musician).

But it was also a joke. You're being overly critical of new music as not being original enough while ignoring the same flaws in older music, b/c of the Endowment Effect. It comes for us all, eventually.

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And finally, I'm not the only one who says music used to be (much) better. People have actually studied this using objective criteria: Music Radar

And this was also true from your halcyon, chosen era and the previous era.

As I said earlier, music has become much more democratized due to available access and choice by consumers. So that means pop has taken over multiple genres. There is actually a scientific method to writing a pop song to make it catchier and stay in your head longer. But that's a digression because there is so much more stuff out there now, you'll still have plenty of opportunity for quality stuff.

More music is releaed DAILY now than the entire year of 1989.

Imagine how much music today can be utter shite while still out-producing the past in quality. This is a matter of volume and discernment.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:34 pm to
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You're just suffering from the Endowment Effect with "your" music.


It's also hilarious that it doesn't occur to you that that goes just as easily both ways.

You're just as apt to over value today's music because you fancy yourself to be hip and current now as I am to overvalue older music because it was considered hip and current when I fancied myself to be hip and current back then.

I grew out of that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:35 pm to
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It's also hilarious that it doesn't occur to you that that goes just as easily both ways.

You're just as apt to over value today's music

But, I don't. I acknowledged my own Endowment Effect.

I understand that the reason I value "my" music is because of this, and it's not an indictment on modern music. Because I seek objectivity as much as I can.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:40 pm to
Music has changed but there are plenty of successful white artists. It does seem like guitar solos aren't much of a thing anymore but there is a ton of great music out there. I do think it's a bit silly to care about the race of the artists though. I'm more into style and genre regardless of race.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:41 pm to
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Music died in the 90’s.

Or maybe you did. The volume of fantastic music that has come out since the turn of the century is immense.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:47 pm to
Throw out some fantastic music.
Posted by Csmims
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Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:54 pm to
The era of great music ended in the 80’s. Most of those musicians are either dead or at least in their 60’s. Most of those bands from that era have few if any original members
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:00 pm to
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The era of great music ended in the 80’s.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13574 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:04 pm to
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Your argument from authority (that doesn't address my comments ) is noted.


Surely you're not so stupid as to realize that the context of that revelation wasn't anything any reasonable person could construe as an argument from authority, but rather was a rebuttal of your (completely unsubstantiated) claim that I had a bias for "my" music.

The point of that comment is that "my" music is today's music. I'm still making it. I'm one of the musicians still making music in 2025.

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Brother, if you were a musician in the 90s, you're old now.


55 next month. So what? Are you saying that some of today's musicians are not qualified to make the greatest music ever? That's self-contradictory.

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I mean some of their early stuff was literally covers


Yes, I know exactly what you mean. But claiming that because they recorded some covers they didn't bring any new original ideas to the covers is basically saying, "I don't know anything about music," without saying "I don't know anything about music." Listen to Bob Dylans version of "All Along The Watchtower," then listen to Jimi Hendrix's. If you conclude that Hendrix didn't bring anything new/creative to the mix just by virtue of the fact that he covered Dylan, then you are far too musically illiterate to continue this conversation.

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You're being overly critical of new music as not being original enough while ignoring the same flaws in older music, b/c of the Endowment Effect.


But again, why would I do that if I'm still releasing music today? Why wouldn't my bias be for what I put out last month?

Your bullshite canned arguments are contradicting each other.

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Imagine how much music today can be utter shite while still out-producing the past in quality. This is a matter of volume and discernment.


It's a matter of the fact that before cheap computer recording systems and the internet, the music industry had gatekeepers that kept the garbage from making it to the public. If you couldn't play your instrument and write and sing, you didn't get to make recordings because it was really expensive to make them and distribute them and only people with talent and potential got to do it.

Now anybody with $1,000 to buy a computer, Pro Tools, a couple of microphones, and some plug ins can record and release anything they want. Including 55 year old me. (There's that self-contradictory criticism again).

As a result, the internet is a giant wall of noise.

Now your absurd theory is that that means that the odds are that more quality music will be produced due to the sheer volume of music released, ignoring the fact that music used to be high dollar projects overseen by very talented producers and a lot of time and money and energy were spent to make sure they were as good as possible. They spent a solid month on the Rumors album just to build a drum riser that made the drums sound the way they wanted, for example.

I'm sure you think some 15 year old is doing something in their bedroom in the context of 2025 as amazing as the Beatles did with Geoff Emerick and George Martin overseeing their writing and recording in 1967, but they aren't.

As an analogy, imagine that MLB stopped screening players. Instead of playing little league, then high school, then getting a scholarship to college, then being drafted into the pros, anybody who wanted to could step up to the plate and swing away at major league baseball games. No matter their age, no matter their ability, no matter anything.

Your (ridiculous) argument is that due to the sheer volume of additional people taking swings, we would discover far more baseball talent than we were aware of when you actually had to be invited to play by the people who knew the game.

Obviously, that's a retarded conclusion.

Other than the obviously stupid logic employed by you so far, most of this comes down to subjective conclusions.

Except the study I posted. And it agrees with me.

So my work here is done.




Posted by 5WFSHR
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:06 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted by MajorityWhip
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:07 pm to
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I’m really hoping the hip hop popularity has peaked and in the decline


Look into the researcher that claims hip hop is a psyop. It is fascinating.

I guess my point is that it will remain popular until it is no longer useful.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:08 pm to
Uhh, Zeppelin was blatant. Cover band. Willie Dixon and Howlin' Wolf would have known.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:09 pm to
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Throw out some fantastic music.

We all have our different music tastes and there is a music board. If you don't have the capability to find any good music in the last 30 years you're more incompetent than I initially thought.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:09 pm to
Figured little twat couldn't answer a simple question.
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:09 pm to
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The era of great music ended in the 80’s. Most of those musicians are either dead or at least in their 60’s. Most of those bands from that era have few if any original members


I know. I'm not talking about those old groups getting back together. It would be kind of hard for Glen Frey to make to a show now since he's dead.

I'm talking about the fact that successive generations haven't been able to maintain the quality of the older music. I know the flow of talent didn't stop, but nonetheless the music suddenly went downhill.

In the 1950's what would come to be called "early rock n roll" seemingly came put of nowhere. A decade later, the Beatles changed music again. Then came harder rock, followed by a few different variations of music. BUT THE POINT IS, THE BEST OF EVERY INCARNATION WAS VERY, VERY GOOD.

Somewhere along the way both the creativity and the innovation fell off a cliff.

This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 6:13 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:13 pm to
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Figured little twat couldn't answer a simple question.

I can't magically curate a playlist with knowing nothing about your preferences.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90772 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 6:14 pm to
I wasn't looking for my list.

I was interested in your list from the last 25 years.
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