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re: Note to MUH No-Plan peeps. This is the plan.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:44 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:44 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Or was that just more bullshite to rationalize the clusterfrick going on the majority Republican House? I see that a lot on this board.
Ah youre one of the babies
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The drama has been in the news for a while. The story has been set.
Hours is not awhile dealing with a populace of over 300 million. Good lord speak for all moderates and how they feel about the just elected SotH so you can save face a little(?) but you look silly in doing so. Sorry.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Complete nonsense.
It's about understanding power and weaknesses to increase power over the replacement scenario over the long term. Y'all only see the short term.
The Democrats have NEVER catered to Republicans out of fear of losing the next election. They've always understood that in government, that which gets done is fricking hard to UNDO. They're masters of incrementalism and NEVER waiver. YOU are the one seeing short term.
quote:They shoot themselves in their own feet because unlike Democrats, they fricking get weak kneed EVERY time.
That's why the meme of Republicans shooting themselves in the foot is so popular. It killed the red wave in 2022 for instance.
quote:Well, that's just back to the whole, "let's act like Democrats so we can ensure some subset of the people acting like Democrats have an R next to their name".
Sure they may "win" but then their insanity turns off moderates and the GOP can actually do stuff. The only way that paradigm changes is if the GOP out-crazies the DEMs.
That's no different than simply losing in the first place. You seem to think that the goal is just to have "Rs" in there.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:48 pm to Warboo
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I would disagree. Most republicans realize that it was a cluster frick. Most have gotten over the errors as nobody had been through something like this before. In short, no one knew what to do.
You are an example of the person on the Right that believes too much in fedgov, as evidenced by your defense of Covid response.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:52 pm to Y.A. Tittle
It seems to me that the plan was to prevent a GOPe from getting the speakership until they agree to support a guy who is not one of the gang of eight, but is truly representing the people.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:34 pm to troyt37
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain Johnson had to have the support of the majority of the republican legislators, or he could never be the nominee designate, could he? And then, I believe nearly all, if not every House republican voted for him to make him Speaker, no?
I have no idea what relevance this has to my post, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson’s support inside the GOP.
My point was that the small majority in the house is what required the CR and negotiating with Democrats to begin with, not McCarthy himself’s wishes. Nothing about putting Johnson in the speaker chair changes that reality. The GOP still does not have the majority required to unilaterally dictate what passes the House. Johnson is facing the same situation McCarthy was.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:45 pm to David_DJS
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Belief in the federal government afflicts both the Right and Left. Just look at Covid response, which to this day is defended by a clear majority of Republicans.
I know one thing for certain.....everyone I know who said piss on the MRNA Juice are America 1st/MAGA.....I guarantee the percentage of Dims and never Trumpers who took the MRNA Juice is +80%
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:48 pm to troyt37
quote:Yea, but the elected him SotH, not king.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain Johnson had to have the support of the majority of the republican legislators, or he could never be the nominee designate, could he? And then, I believe nearly all, if not every House republican voted for him to make him Speaker, no?
They still have to hold basically 100% to pass anything. Seemingly it’s pretty easy to get MAGA folks to vote with dems, so… dems are still going to run the show.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yesterday "the plan" was reduced to just ousting McCarthy N
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:56 pm to Taxing Authority
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Seemingly it’s pretty easy to get MAGA folks to vote with dems, so… dems are still going to run the show.
Lot of folks pretty butthurt that Gaetz et al used marxists to get rid of a shitbag SOH.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Many do t understand incrementalism is how our government changes. It’s how democrats took over. They want a messiah to arrive and fix it. Which isn’t how our government works (thankfully).
It's about understanding power and weaknesses to increase power over the replacement scenario over the long term. Y'all only see the short term.
It’s like throwing for the end zone very play including 4th down, and wondering why the team is losing.
I’m all for dismantling the GOP establishment. But, if you’ve got to win some elections first. Depending on teaming up with the democrats to destroy republicans just creates a power vacuum that democrats will easily fill.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:00 pm to troyt37
quote:Backwards. Gaetz got used.
Gaetz et al used marxists to get rid of a shitbag SOH.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:02 pm to Taxing Authority
By who? Please don't be vague.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:02 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Even more specific, it was Gaetz’s allies that forced the need to have democrats on board. And it won’t be any different for the next speaker, unless Gaetz and crew capitulate.
My point was that the small majority in the house is what required the CR and negotiating with Democrats to begin with, not McCarthy himself’s wishes.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:03 pm to goatmilker
quote:By democrats. Do you thy voted for this to help the MAGA agenda? Or republicans?
By who? Please don't be vague.
Can you name a democrat, or swing district you expect to go red over this?
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:05 pm to Taxing Authority
Even more specific it was Republicans not backing Gaetz that led to the need for dems voting the way they did.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:06 pm to Taxing Authority
Seems they were thinking of getting one of there own as SotH. Did you read any of that?
Allies as in dems I see. I don't think dems view Gaetz as a Allie but carry on.
Allies as in dems I see. I don't think dems view Gaetz as a Allie but carry on.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:09 pm to goatmilker
quote:That wasn’t the only good outcome for them.Tbis was a no-lose gift for them.
Seems they were thinking of getting one of there own as SotH. Did you read any of that?
Making republicans look like nimcompoops that can’t govern, and further fracturing the party is all upside.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:10 pm to troyt37
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Lot of folks pretty butthurt that Gaetz et al used marxists to get rid of a shitbag SOH.
I'd be far more prone to believe that if they'd had Johnson ready to go as soon as McCarthy got the axe. I can't unsee the last three weeks no matter how much the outcome appears to be a good one. Yesterday we damn near ended up with Emmer and if that had happened the discussions here would be waaaaaaaay different.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:12 pm to Taxing Authority
Losing KM was a loss for them and many in DC.
The vast numbers condemning this from Bill Krystol, Rove, DU, msm, etc should tell anyone who is happy and who is not.
The vast numbers condemning this from Bill Krystol, Rove, DU, msm, etc should tell anyone who is happy and who is not.
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