- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Nobel prize winner claims covid was manipulated with molecular tools
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:12 pm to YF12
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:12 pm to YF12
quote:
And that means what exactly? They arent known for picking people for awards that deserve them.
I think you are confusing the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Peace Prize.
1
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:13 pm to YF12
Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine
seriously dumbass
seriously dumbass
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:28 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
He also explains that the "non-natural" parts (added HIV sequences) of the covid genome tend to gradually disappear in the samples collected on more recent infected patients. He says nature is reharmonizing, the virus will attenua
Is it probable then that if a modified CV-HIV virus escaped, it could have had a significantly higher R or mortality rate, so Wuhan, Iran and Italy got CV-HIV 1.0 and this was why China Q'd 100M people, but as it was transmitted, the hybrid slowly reverted back to a relatively benign CV flu virus?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:31 pm to M. A. Ryland
quote:
I think you are confusing the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Peace Prize.
quote:
awards
Plural
They pick who they are paid to pick
Thats why both ice age and global warming scientists have been winners of scientific prizes
Because they have no standards
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:34 pm to ThinePreparedAni
The Zero Hedge boys were saying this two weeks after the virus started over there.
Twitter even banned them for it.
Twitter even banned them for it.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:36 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Friend,
Drs. Gallo and Levy, both Americans, discovered it first. The French, though, took credit for it. That the French got a Nobel for it showed the anti-American bias in Europe, that persists to this day, as a fallen, imperial culture tries to grasp to a last clutch for greatness, innovation, and discovery. The truth is Americans have far surpassed the Europeans in medicine, probably a century ago, and now it is not close.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Drs. Gallo and Levy, both Americans, discovered it first. The French, though, took credit for it. That the French got a Nobel for it showed the anti-American bias in Europe, that persists to this day, as a fallen, imperial culture tries to grasp to a last clutch for greatness, innovation, and discovery. The truth is Americans have far surpassed the Europeans in medicine, probably a century ago, and now it is not close.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:36 pm to puse01
quote:Which one?
One of those is not like the others....
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:17 am to GumboPot
Mitteldorf is an independent scholar (astrophysicist) who is a system based thinker who wrote a very important book on aging (with Carl Sagan’s son)
Well referenced
He brings up some interesting points/connections
Did we outsource this work to China?
Is this the real reason we have handled this situation so aggressively (we did not have a full understanding what it would do). I have argued elsewhere (as Mitteldorf does here) that Lymes disease is a precedent to reference...
https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2020/04/17/where-did-covid-19-come-from/
Well referenced
He brings up some interesting points/connections
Did we outsource this work to China?
Is this the real reason we have handled this situation so aggressively (we did not have a full understanding what it would do). I have argued elsewhere (as Mitteldorf does here) that Lymes disease is a precedent to reference...
https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2020/04/17/where-did-covid-19-come-from/
quote:
Where did COVID-19 come from?
Posted on April 17, 2020
There is genetic evidence suggestive of human tinkering in the genome, and there are news stories suggesting the virus might have been developed either at the Wuhan Institute of Virology or at the American virology lab at Fort Detrick. There are even some suggestions that the American and Chinese bioweapons labs may be working together, sharing samples and exchanging funding.
Part 1: The Genetic Evidence
quote:
Is it plausible that the SARS-CoV2 mutated directly from a virus that infected local bats? For this question, I am dependent on evolutionary geneticists for an opinion, and there is a divergence of opinion on the scientific literature. Geneticists who say evidence points to a laboratory origin are typically cautious, but they make these points:
Wuhan is in central-eastern China. The bats that carry SARS come from Yunnan province in the southwest, about 1,000 miles away. It is known that the bats were collected for research on the SARS virus conducted at the Wuhan laboratory.
The genome has at least 4 gain-of-function mutations (if they are mutations) compared to the ancestor bat virus. Gain-of-function mutations are rare compared to loss-of-function, and usually the virus makes its leap when there is one gain-of-function.
About a fourth of the genome looks nothing like a coronavirus, and must have arrived via genetic recombination. The recombined part bears a resemblance to HIV. Viral genome recombinations do occur in nature, but this one is particularly hard to explain, since HIV is a fragile virus that can’t survive outside human blood. How would it get into a bat virus?
COVID has some pathological effects never before seen in a coronavirus, including attack on the GI tract and on artery walls. There are some reports that the virus’s lethality comes from its attack on hemoglobin, the red blood molecule that carries oxygen around the body.
quote:
Conclusions
I find it suspicious that the debate over whether COVID came from a laboratory is being avoided with ad hominem attacks, blanket denials, and straw man arguments. I’m impressed that the people who are supporting a laboratory origin have promptly corrected their misstatements, while I see no such willingness on the other side.
The totality of evidence for the hypothesis is not conclusive. The most compelling evidence I see is
Bats that are reputed to be source of the virus are found naturally more than 1,000 miles from Wuhan, but we know that the Wuhan Laboratory was studying just these bats and just this virus, and further that they were experimenting with modifying the spike protein that the virus uses for entry, to make it compatible with human ACE2.
The virus gained several new abilities on emerging from bats. Usually, we would expect just one. Closely related to this, the genome shows four RNA segments that differ substantially from the bat ancestor where, again, we would expect just one. Genetic analysis indicates that the divergence from bats happened decades ago, and yet the disease only appeared in humans recently. I take Francis Boyle’s testimony quite seriously. He’s a career expert in biological warfare. Luc Montagnier is as credible a source as they come, but I don’t know what to make of how certain he seems about genetic evidence that others have said is inconclusive.
In Part 2, I hope to tie in American bioweapons research. Linking the American and Chinese bioweapons programs seems stranger than science. Teaser: Evidence suggests that SARS-CoV2 has been in America longer than it has been in China.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:51 am to ThinePreparedAni
Brit Hume per @johnrobertsFOX
" Multiple sources are telling Fox News that the United States gov't now has high confidence that, while the Coronavirus is "naturally" occuring, it emanated from a virology lab in Wuhan."
This was posted a couple of days ago on the POLI and I laughed at the context of it and was down voted for it.
I'll try this again.
"naturally" occuring. How?
Did they catch it and take it to the Lab and it escaped?
It emanated from a Lab but is naturally occuring?
The bullet emanated from a gun but, I didn't pull the trigger. The trajectory of the bullet came from some "un none" force.
" Multiple sources are telling Fox News that the United States gov't now has high confidence that, while the Coronavirus is "naturally" occuring, it emanated from a virology lab in Wuhan."
This was posted a couple of days ago on the POLI and I laughed at the context of it and was down voted for it.
I'll try this again.
"naturally" occuring. How?
Did they catch it and take it to the Lab and it escaped?
It emanated from a Lab but is naturally occuring?
The bullet emanated from a gun but, I didn't pull the trigger. The trajectory of the bullet came from some "un none" force.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 8:59 pm to Lou the Jew from LSU
quote:
Plus the stopped domestic flights out of wuhan but not international flights.
This being the case, isn't this flagrant evidence of bad intentions?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:06 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Well this closely resembles what I just previously said.
I think they were trying to develop a vaccine for aids and use a rather harmless virus though very contagious to spread it around the world.
Yes the CCP are scum, but they have a need for validation and they thought this would give this to them on the world stage.
They were trying to upstage the United States.
Instead they released a pandemic that will kill hundreds of thousands.
I came to this conclusion for the same reason I'm assuming they did. This virus had some HIV DNA in it.
I think they were trying to develop a vaccine for aids and use a rather harmless virus though very contagious to spread it around the world.
Yes the CCP are scum, but they have a need for validation and they thought this would give this to them on the world stage.
They were trying to upstage the United States.
Instead they released a pandemic that will kill hundreds of thousands.
I came to this conclusion for the same reason I'm assuming they did. This virus had some HIV DNA in it.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:07 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
This virus had some HIV DNA in it.
RNA
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:41 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I’m not a scientist nor a doctor but this deal never added up. It’s funny how people who’ve been celebrated in science will now be ridiculed for what they believe to be true. Is he right or wrong I have no idea but I am smart enough to see plausible. I wonder What China has been doing to take over a “The super power”? If this is true what else have they done that world leaders have been bought and paid for to keep their mouths shut except to promote China.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:04 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
Nobel prize winner claims covid was manipulated with molecular tools by ThinePreparedAni
One thing is certain ....there are a lot of people who don’t want to hear/accept the Wuhan virus was possibly genetically fricked with in a Chinese bio lab.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:10 pm to Bass Tiger
What would China rather you believe, they genetically engineered this in a lab or that some peasant originally got this by eating bat tartare?
Can’t it be both?
Can’t it be both?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:13 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
I came to this conclusion for the same reason I'm assuming they did. This virus had some HIV DNA in it.
Can someone link to a reliable source of information on this? I've read it over and over but never had a good source linked... Coronaviruses and HIV are both RNA viruses so I'm not sure if it's a case of similar sequences in certain areas of the genome, which is possibly coincidental vs. real "evidence" about the Wu Flu-HIV connection.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 8:13 am to BayBengal9
I haven't seen one. You can google "HIV gene sequence" and "SARS-COV-2 gene sequence". To an idiot like me they don't appear to be similar. Also they attack cells differently.
Posted on 4/19/20 at 8:57 am to Lou the Jew from LSU
Agree with all of this. And a deep dive would show Gates and Soros money and direction at the rotten core of it all, but the complicit media won’t dig, they are too busy celebrating American deaths and financial ruin so they can blame it all on OMB
Posted on 4/19/20 at 9:21 am to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
About a fourth of the genome looks nothing like a coronavirus, and must have arrived via genetic recombination.
What's the source of this claim? It shares 96% of its genomic sequence with a known bat coronavirus. The author here is making a very strong claim that isn't supported by what we know.
quote:
the virus uses for entry, to make it compatible with human ACE2.
But the original SARS virus, which shares 80% of its genome with COVID, also shows an affinity to hACE2 receptors on human cells. It isn't a new feature of this specific Sarbecovirus family.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 5:59 pm to ThinePreparedAni
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/06/07/norway-scientist-claims-report-proves-coronavirus-was-lab-made/#220cceb4121d
quote:
EDITORS' PICK|88,559 views|Jun 7, 2020,03:42pm EDT
Norway Scientist Claims Report Proves Coronavirus Was Lab-Made
David Nikel
quote:
Norwegian scientist Birger Sørensen has claimed the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 is not natural in origin. The claims by the co-author of the British-Norwegian study—published in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics—are supported by the former head of Britain’s MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove.
The study from Sørensen and British professor Angus Dalgleish show that the coronavirus's spike protein contains sequences that appear to be artificially inserted. They also highlight the lack of mutation since its discovery, which suggests it was already fully adapted to humans. The study goes on to explain the rationale for the development of Biovacc-19, a candidate vaccine for COVID-19 that is now in advanced pre-clinical development. Properties that have never been found in nature Sørensen told NRK that the virus has properties that differ greatly from SARS, and which have never been detected in nature. He explained that China and the United States have collaborated for many years on coronavirus research.
Sørensen claimed that both countries participate in "gain of function" studies, in which the pathogenicity or transmissibility of potential pandemic pathogens can be enhanced in order to understand them better.
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News