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No Federal Appeals Court Has Held Assault-type Weapons are 2A Protected.

Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:19 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:19 pm
Approximately a year ago, a federal appeals court considered whether a Maryland law banning assault-type weapons was unconstitutional. The law was passed in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit ruled that the ban on assault-type weapons, like the one used at Sandy Hook, was constitutional. CA4uscourts

It was not the first time a federal appeals court had ruled that a ban on assault-type weapons was permissible under the Second Amendment. It was the fourth time in the past decade. No federal appeals court has ever held that assault-type weapons are protected.

The question of assault-type weapons was not addressed by the Supreme Court when, in 2008, it held for the first time in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the court, went out of his way to say that the right “is not unlimited.

Bans on semiautomatic, assault-type weapons have been upheld, usually for the same two reasons:

1) Banning them, the courts have said, does not curtail the right of self-defense protected by the Constitution. There are plenty of other weapons — handguns and regular long guns — available to people to protect themselves.

2) At the same time, the courts have said, states and municipalities have legitimate reasons to ban AR-15-style weapons because of the dangers they pose, to schools, innocent bystanders and police.

For the 4th Circuit judges in the Maryland case, the question came down to whether assault-type weapons were necessary for self-defense and whether the government has a legitimate interest in regulating them.

The majority opinion noted that Maryland law enforcement officials could not identify a single case in which a Marylander had used a assault-style rifle or shotgun, or needed to fire more than 10 rounds, to defend him/herself.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:20 pm to
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Assault-type Weapons


are these different from non-assault weapons?

can you explain the difference?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260542 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

Assault-type Weapons


Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43337 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:21 pm to
And prior to Heller no SCOTUS upheld that the 2A guaranteed an individual right.

Give it some time.

Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73439 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:21 pm to
I hope Dems run nationwide on this grand idea.
Posted by SouthernHog
Arkansas
Member since Jul 2016
6201 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:22 pm to
I don't think we've ever had an accurate definition of "assault weapons".
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:22 pm to
if one of these goes to the Supremes and they say states/cities can't ban then, oh man

Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
33879 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:23 pm to
Dang, so not even “assault riffles”, or “assault weapons”, just “assault-type weapons” aka vague aka no scope
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140445 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

Assault-type Weapons


If Toddy smacks you in the face with a double ended dildo have you been assaulted by a weapon?

Posted by tharre4
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
575 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:24 pm to
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When Toddy smacks you in the face with a double ended dildo have you been assaulted by a weapon?


This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 12:26 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:29 pm to
Assault weapons being defined as:

a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can
accept a detachable magazine and has any two
of the following:
1. a folding stock;
2. a grenade launcher or flare launcher;
or
3. a flash suppressor;
(ii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a
fixed magazine with the capacity to accept
more than 10 rounds;
(iii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has an
overall length of less than 29 inches;
* * *
(v) a semiautomatic shotgun that has a folding
stock; or
(vi) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34080 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

I don't think we've ever had an accurate definition of "assault weapons".



Prog Filth definition: If it looks like a gun it's an assualt weapon
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:30 pm to
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texridder


i see you abandoned this abortion of a thread
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:30 pm to
The ruling has a definition.

I don't agree with banning them, but they do have a definition.
Posted by pond water
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Nov 2010
107 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:33 pm to
What the frick is an assault rifle?
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11809 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:33 pm to
You’re an embarrassment to the state of Texas.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27587 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Bans on semiautomatic, assault-type weapons have been upheld, usually for the same two reasons:

1) Banning them, the courts have said, does not curtail the right of self-defense protected by the Constitution.
quote:

There are plenty of other weapons — handguns
and regular long guns — available to people to protect themselves.


You do now that the vast majority of handguns floating out around there today are... wait for it... semi-automatic, assault type weapons, right?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14190 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:10 pm to
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The Heller Court determined that, by its operative clause, the Second Amendment guarantees “the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”

quote:

The Heller Court emphasized that “the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited,” in that it is “not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

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The Heller Court specified that “weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned” without infringement upon the Second Amendment right.



This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14190 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:21 pm to
My use of the term assault-type weapons was my own phrase and was improper.

The Heller decision said:

quote:

There is no Second Amendment protection for “M-16 rifles and the like,” i.e., “weapons that are most useful in military service
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34668 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:22 pm to
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The Heller Court specified that “weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned” without infringement upon the Second Amendment right.


Which is kind of the opposite of the 1939 decision upholding restrictions on sawed-off shotguns because they were NOT typical military weapons.


ETA United States v Miller
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:42 pm
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