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No Federal Appeals Court Has Held Assault-type Weapons are 2A Protected.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:19 pm
Approximately a year ago, a federal appeals court considered whether a Maryland law banning assault-type weapons was unconstitutional. The law was passed in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit ruled that the ban on assault-type weapons, like the one used at Sandy Hook, was constitutional. CA4uscourts
It was not the first time a federal appeals court had ruled that a ban on assault-type weapons was permissible under the Second Amendment. It was the fourth time in the past decade. No federal appeals court has ever held that assault-type weapons are protected.
The question of assault-type weapons was not addressed by the Supreme Court when, in 2008, it held for the first time in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the court, went out of his way to say that the right “is not unlimited.”
Bans on semiautomatic, assault-type weapons have been upheld, usually for the same two reasons:
1) Banning them, the courts have said, does not curtail the right of self-defense protected by the Constitution. There are plenty of other weapons — handguns and regular long guns — available to people to protect themselves.
2) At the same time, the courts have said, states and municipalities have legitimate reasons to ban AR-15-style weapons because of the dangers they pose, to schools, innocent bystanders and police.
For the 4th Circuit judges in the Maryland case, the question came down to whether assault-type weapons were necessary for self-defense and whether the government has a legitimate interest in regulating them.
The majority opinion noted that Maryland law enforcement officials could not identify a single case in which a Marylander had used a assault-style rifle or shotgun, or needed to fire more than 10 rounds, to defend him/herself.
It was not the first time a federal appeals court had ruled that a ban on assault-type weapons was permissible under the Second Amendment. It was the fourth time in the past decade. No federal appeals court has ever held that assault-type weapons are protected.
The question of assault-type weapons was not addressed by the Supreme Court when, in 2008, it held for the first time in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the court, went out of his way to say that the right “is not unlimited.”
Bans on semiautomatic, assault-type weapons have been upheld, usually for the same two reasons:
1) Banning them, the courts have said, does not curtail the right of self-defense protected by the Constitution. There are plenty of other weapons — handguns and regular long guns — available to people to protect themselves.
2) At the same time, the courts have said, states and municipalities have legitimate reasons to ban AR-15-style weapons because of the dangers they pose, to schools, innocent bystanders and police.
For the 4th Circuit judges in the Maryland case, the question came down to whether assault-type weapons were necessary for self-defense and whether the government has a legitimate interest in regulating them.
The majority opinion noted that Maryland law enforcement officials could not identify a single case in which a Marylander had used a assault-style rifle or shotgun, or needed to fire more than 10 rounds, to defend him/herself.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:20 pm to texridder
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Assault-type Weapons
are these different from non-assault weapons?
can you explain the difference?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:20 pm to texridder
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Assault-type Weapons
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:21 pm to texridder
And prior to Heller no SCOTUS upheld that the 2A guaranteed an individual right.
Give it some time.
Give it some time.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:21 pm to texridder
I hope Dems run nationwide on this grand idea.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:22 pm to texridder
I don't think we've ever had an accurate definition of "assault weapons".
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:22 pm to texridder
if one of these goes to the Supremes and they say states/cities can't ban then, oh man
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:23 pm to texridder
Dang, so not even “assault riffles”, or “assault weapons”, just “assault-type weapons” aka vague aka no scope
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:23 pm to texridder
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Assault-type Weapons
If Toddy smacks you in the face with a double ended dildo have you been assaulted by a weapon?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:24 pm to roadGator
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When Toddy smacks you in the face with a double ended dildo have you been assaulted by a weapon?
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:29 pm to texridder
Assault weapons being defined as:
a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can
accept a detachable magazine and has any two
of the following:
1. a folding stock;
2. a grenade launcher or flare launcher;
or
3. a flash suppressor;
(ii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a
fixed magazine with the capacity to accept
more than 10 rounds;
(iii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has an
overall length of less than 29 inches;
* * *
(v) a semiautomatic shotgun that has a folding
stock; or
(vi) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can
accept a detachable magazine and has any two
of the following:
1. a folding stock;
2. a grenade launcher or flare launcher;
or
3. a flash suppressor;
(ii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a
fixed magazine with the capacity to accept
more than 10 rounds;
(iii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has an
overall length of less than 29 inches;
* * *
(v) a semiautomatic shotgun that has a folding
stock; or
(vi) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:29 pm to SouthernHog
quote:
I don't think we've ever had an accurate definition of "assault weapons".
Prog Filth definition: If it looks like a gun it's an assualt weapon
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:30 pm to texridder
quote:
texridder
i see you abandoned this abortion of a thread
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:30 pm to OchoDedos
The ruling has a definition.
I don't agree with banning them, but they do have a definition.
I don't agree with banning them, but they do have a definition.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:33 pm to texridder
What the frick is an assault rifle?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:33 pm to texridder
You’re an embarrassment to the state of Texas.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 12:33 pm to texridder
quote:
Bans on semiautomatic, assault-type weapons have been upheld, usually for the same two reasons:
1) Banning them, the courts have said, does not curtail the right of self-defense protected by the Constitution.quote:and regular long guns — available to people to protect themselves.
There are plenty of other weapons — handguns
You do now that the vast majority of handguns floating out around there today are... wait for it... semi-automatic, assault type weapons, right?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:10 pm to Centinel
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The Heller Court determined that, by its operative clause, the Second Amendment guarantees “the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”
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The Heller Court emphasized that “the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited,” in that it is “not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”
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The Heller Court specified that “weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned” without infringement upon the Second Amendment right.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:21 pm to texridder
My use of the term assault-type weapons was my own phrase and was improper.
The Heller decision said:
The Heller decision said:
quote:
There is no Second Amendment protection for “M-16 rifles and the like,” i.e., “weapons that are most useful in military service
Posted on 2/22/18 at 1:22 pm to texridder
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The Heller Court specified that “weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned” without infringement upon the Second Amendment right.
Which is kind of the opposite of the 1939 decision upholding restrictions on sawed-off shotguns because they were NOT typical military weapons.
ETA United States v Miller
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 1:42 pm
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