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Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:07 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Basically true.
He has no substance and he knows it.
He does have the substance of a ruling that used latches to audaciously circumvent consideration of the same laws he is refusing to address. It was a horrendously partisan ruling disenfranchising WI GOP voters. SFP is correct in asserting I disagree with it. He is wrong in asserting that has anything to do with the question I'll continue to put to him.
i.e.,
"According to Wisconsin LAW, was the selective allowance of elective absentee ballots in Dane and Milwaukee Counties LEGAL?"
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The basis of latches was the Trump Campaign waiting until after the election to raise the complaint.
The corrupt absurdity of the finding is that the GOP (not technically the Trump Campaign) raised the identical issue months before. In response,
the Wisconsin Supreme Court did block pro-democrat guidance from the Dane County clerk regarding absentee voting. But the WI SC did not grant broader relief. Instead it ruled the plaintiffs (the GOP) could not show harm d/t the fact they'd not yet experienced the inevitable bad election result, i.e., harm.
Obviously, there was no reason at that point for the Trump Campaign to file an identical case. However, once harm was established, after the election, the court ignored its previous March 2020 finding. Instead it claimed that as the Trump Campaign itself had not raised the issue prior to the election, it abrogated its right to bring the case after the election.
SFP is 100% right regarding my assessment of this. IMO (and in the opinion of the 3 dissenting judges) the ruling was complete bullshite. Nonetheless, corrupt or not, the ruling is what it is.
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What the ruling is not, though, is an address of the following question:
"According to Wisconsin LAW, was the selective allowance of elective absentee ballots in Dane and Milwaukee Counties LEGAL?"
The Wisconsin Supreme Court did not address that question.
SFP refuses to address that question.
It's obviously a rhetorical question. Its answer is the exact evidence SFP continues to duplicitously deny exists.
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Why would they cheat at all in California in 2020?
Let's just start there.
Although it is certainly true they DID cheat in California - I do not recall ANYONE even mentioning it wrt the 2020 election.
The only fraud of interest is from PA, GA, MN, MI, etc = the "toss-up" states.
OF COURSE elections in California are fraudulent - but that is a hill that we cannot hope to climb so why waste energy on it?
There was (most probably) enough fraudulent behavior (uninvestigated) to change the result. But it takes pressure from some higher authority to make the investigations happen.
IF the political outcome were reversed, there would have been investigations out the wazoo
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:19 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
You rely on tossing out the "where's the EVIDENCE!!!" trope to avoid discussing the real topic = was the 2020 election 'stolen' (or fraudulently decided - whatever legalize you are comfortable with)
Asking for evidence of the argument is pretty important for the discussion of the real topic. If we're not relying on evidence to support our claims, what are we using?
quote:
My ONLY beef with YOU is that you NEVER address the COMMON SENSE arguments in this case.
"Common sense" is a crutch for people who lack evidence, logic, or rhetoric. That's why. It's completely subjective and changes from person to person.
If you asked an obvious leftist their "common sense" view of this situation I imagine it would differ from your view rather greatly. How do you win a battle of common senses? Especially if we're discarding relying on evidence?
quote:
But you will NOT address the bulls in the china shop wrt:
- massive changes in voting procedures (yeah - COVID - another fraud)
- massive pushing of mail-in ballots
- locating 'ballot drops' in a lot of 'convenient' places
- no follow up on images of people dumping reams of ballots into the boxes.
- no investigation into late-nite after hours 'ballot counting'
- no investigation into the HUGE disparity between rejection rates of mail in ballots between this election and prior elections
- no investigation into the separation of 'observers' from the ballot counters
- etc etc etc
A lot of this is the moving target Bunk so eloquently discussed in his post earlier.
This "moving target" strategy is very common with MAGA rhetoric, which is why I've become so known for demanding specific, universal operative definitions, and why it's so universally rejected by the MAGA types on here, typically. They don't want to be bound to a definition becuase so much of their world view and rhetoric is based in relying on a moving target basis.
quote:
2020 was - to anyone who has a brain - an OUTLIER
Sure. We were in a global pandemic, an economic shutdown, and a very unpopular candidate who brings out extreme emotional responses in his opposition.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:22 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
Although it is certainly true they DID cheat in California - I do not recall ANYONE even mentioning it wrt the 2020 election.
No shite, because devoting resources to stealing California would be dumb as shite
That's the basis leading to the proverbial point.
quote:
The only fraud of interest is from PA, GA, MN, MI, etc = the "toss-up" states.
These states had similar voting in 2020 and 2024. It hurts the arguments about 2020 fraud, especially the ones about "Biden receiving 81M votes" as proof of fraud.
Where the DEMs lost the majority of their support in 2024 (compared to 2020) was in the farthest-left states, NOT the states of interest that you posted above.
quote:
But it takes pressure from some higher authority to make the investigations happen.
Trump has had 2 different DOJs who could do this.
One investigated and flat denied the fraud happened.
One is new, but doesn't seem to be investigating anything related to the 2020 election as of June 3, 2025.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Asked, answered and ignored.
Asking for evidence of the argument is pretty important for the discussion of the real topic.
There is no question as to evidence. It is there. You're getting beaten over the head with it. The question is why you continue to stubbornly ignore it.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Tell it to the House.
No shite, because devoting resources to stealing California would be dumb as shite
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:so every single dem controlled state with COD-LOCKED election control was exceptionally goosed - put the 7 or 8 million fraudulent votes here with the main swing - illegal votes at about another 7 or 8 million fraudulent votes - and you have an election a foreign country could only dream of for taking control of the largest power on earth.
quote:
so, a morning to wake up and start lying all the way to nighttime
you really said that about dem-marxists safest areas? OK. So a morning to also wake up and demonstrate your ignorance... or maybe, just another lie
I already posted this earlier in the thread
That would be termed, evidence of election fraud on a massive scale in these 15 or so states with an extra 15 million faked ballots; states freeing all adherence to those pesky bellweathers which failed at a 98% rate relative to 2024 as well as prior elections of the past 50 years.
You have to be blind to knowledge to say what you have said,
and
you see well; fitting my original quote (and those bellweathers are every bit as valid as any dem-marxist evidence presented in protest)
oy vey! Mayorkas, Blinken, Garland et al
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:14 pm to FriendofBaruch
quote:
so every single dem controlled state with COD-LOCKED election control was exceptionally goosed
That would be termed, evidence of election fraud in states free of those pesky bellweathers which failed at a 98% rate relative to 2024 as well as prior elections of the past 50 years.
Again, as someone else said, those states don't matter for this discussion.
The swing states that mattered, where you'd expect the most cheating/fraud in 2020, did not face nearly the same swings.
The Covid-era voting was changed in most, if not all of them. The scrutiny was 10x higher in 2024. The voting systems don't seem to have the same claims of irregularities. How did they continue the cheating in 2024 with all of this working against them?
People who promote the fraud theory love to point out the insanely high turnout in 2020. Per GA Vote, GA had a 1% increase in 2024. Wisconsin also had an increase in turnout. Michigan as well. The % swings in these states were well within the range of acceptable voter behavior, too. In Michigan and Wisconsin, Trump's 2020 out-performed the past few GOP candidates. GA was an outlier, but we saw with the companion Senate races that the state was done with Trump and Trump-adjacent pols in that cycle.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
of course they matter they make the stack much taller, much more plausible during a theft:
and the "15 million fraudulent ballots" fits perfectly with observations...
quote:
so every single dem controlled state with COD-LOCKED election control was exceptionally goosed - put the 7 or 8 million fraudulent votes here with the main swing - illegal votes at about another 7 or 8 million fraudulent votes - and you have an election a foreign country could only dream of for taking control of the largest power on earth.
That would be termed, evidence of election fraud on a massive scale in these 15 or so states with an extra 15 million faked ballots; states freeing all adherence to those pesky bellweathers which failed at a 98% rate relative to 2024 as well as prior elections of the past 50 years.
You have to be blind to knowledge to say what you have said,
and
you see well; fitting my original quote (and those bellweathers are every bit as valid as any dem-marxist evidence presented in protest)
oy vey! Mayorkas, Blinken, Garland et al
and the "15 million fraudulent ballots" fits perfectly with observations...
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
SlowFlowPro
Look at this bulldog, folks. Anyone would be crazy to not hire him for legal representation.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:24 pm to High C
quote:
Look at this bulldog, folks. Anyone would be crazy to not hire him for legal representation.
quote:
They make up for their lack of evidence by over-reliance on flailing and insults, instead.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:24 pm to FriendofBaruch
quote:
of course they matter they make the stack much taller, much more plausible during a theft:
So you think they engaged in mass fraud in heavily-DEM areas because virtue signaling is more important than winning the election?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:30 pm to FriendofBaruch
quote:No. No. You're missing his message.
of course they matter
Facts don't matter. Just the stated outcome matters. That outcome invalidates underlying inconvenient facts, erasing them from consideration. Once erased from consideration, there is no more evidence.
See?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
an adjunct to the all out fraud in swing states - read the last prior post
it is intended to use easily faked balloting with the less easy theft of the swing states
posing afterward would be facilitated by this effortless portion of the charade
again, reread my post I have edited for clarity (excuse me for being in the middle of a gargantuan personal project)
Here let me help you:
of course they matter they make the stack much taller, much more plausible during a theft:
quote:
so every single dem controlled state with COD-LOCKED election control was exceptionally goosed - put the 7 or 8 million fraudulent votes here with the main swing - illegal votes at about another 7 or 8 million fraudulent votes - and you have an election a foreign country could only dream of for taking control of the largest power on earth.
That would be termed, evidence of election fraud on a massive scale in these 15 or so states with an extra 15 million faked ballots; states freeing all adherence to those pesky bellweathers which failed at a 98% rate relative to 2024 as well as prior elections of the past 50 years.
You have to be blind to knowledge to say what you have said,
and
you see well; fitting my original quote (and those bellweathers are every bit as valid as any dem-marxist evidence presented in protest)
oy vey! Mayorkas, Blinken, Garland et al
and the "15 million fraudulent ballots" fits perfectly with observations...
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:32 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
NC_Tigah
What other elections were tampered with? I'm trying to keep an open mind.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:33 pm to FriendofBaruch
quote:
an adjunct to the all out fraud in swing states
In 2020 or 2024?
quote:
it is intended to use easily faked balloting with the less easy theft of the swing states
Virtue signaling.
quote:
posing afterward would be facilitated by this effortless portion of the charade
Do you really think Biden would have been seen as somehow less legitimate if he got slightly fewer votes in heavily DEM areas, but still won the race?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
They make up for their lack of evidence by over-reliance on flailing and insults, instead.
This is all the evidence I need, and I witnessed it take place with my own eyes. I know that you don’t really expect it to, but my mind won’t be changed.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:37 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Facts don't matter. Just the stated outcome matters
I'm literally using facts to support my argument. I cited/linked election data
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
2020
virtue signaling is passe' in election theft or only derived by a mysterious EXTRA 15 million votes (noticed after subsequent elections as it was in 2024)
Bidens problem was that it was not believable in the least that he could win the presidency - all validated by his fake presidency and the theft of the American government by foreigners
virtue signaling, pffft!
virtue signaling is passe' in election theft or only derived by a mysterious EXTRA 15 million votes (noticed after subsequent elections as it was in 2024)
Bidens problem was that it was not believable in the least that he could win the presidency - all validated by his fake presidency and the theft of the American government by foreigners
virtue signaling, pffft!
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