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Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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-known
+suspected
Dude, the Steele report is a KNOWN fabrication. You don't know this, or you just can't accept this?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:46 pm to Jbird
The literal quote from the summary released by Tulsi says, it "did not adhere to the tenets of the ICD Analytic Standards".
More language supporting my post:
Judgments, not facts.
Judgments, not facts.
They didn't meet tradecraft standards, speaking of the assessments (opinions).
More language supporting my post:
quote:
Finding #2: Significant Tradecraft Failings Cast Doubt on ICA Judgments of Putin's Intentions
Judgments, not facts.
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Finding #3: The ICA Failed to Acknowledge That Key Judgments on Putin's Intentions Were Based on Raw Intelligence That Did Not Meet Tradecraft Standards
Judgments, not facts.
They didn't meet tradecraft standards, speaking of the assessments (opinions).
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Second, the President is permitted to act in ways that would be illegal for anyone else to copy.
That is when they are acting under OFFICIAL presidential duties. What official duty is there to attempt to sabotage a political opponents presidential campaign?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
The walls are closing in.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:48 pm to BugAC
Do you really want to go down that road?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:48 pm to BugAC
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Dude, the Steele report is a KNOWN fabrication. You don't know this, or you just can't accept this?
I've always believed it to be that.
But opinions differed, especially in the summer of 2016.
As I've said many times (a few times in here) without a mind reader or a smoking gun, how do you prove Obama KNEW it was a fabrication in real time?
Even the reports that have been released to "prove" all of this speak in terms of second-level analysis of primary analysis, which is based in subjectivity and opinions.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:48 pm to BugAC
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What official duty is there to attempt to sabotage a political opponents presidential campaign?
Bad faming is bad.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:48 pm to Rebel
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The walls are closing in.
SFP is just doing his contrarian gig. He doesn't believe anything he posts, really.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Bad faming is bad.
What is "bad faming"?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:50 pm to BugAC
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What is "bad faming"?
What you did.
The correct framing is asking if Obama's role as head of the DOJ, CIA, Military, etc. is a core executive function. The answer is clearly yes.
Your framing avoided the actual question.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The correct framing
Were you meaning to type "bad framing"? Because bad faming isn't a fricking word, genius.
quote:
asking if Obama's role as head of the DOJ, CIA, Military, etc. is a core executive function. The answer is clearly yes.
Your framing avoided the actual question.
I guess you need to break that to old Tricky Dick then, and let him know that being POTUS allows you to spy on your political operatives, and the pardon he received was not needed.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP, "I am always right....everyone else who disagrees with my opinion is always wrong".
It doesn't get simpler than that.
It doesn't get simpler than that.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:54 pm to BugAC
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I guess you need to break that to old Tricky Dick then,
The criminal immunity ruling came a few decades after his saga.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Impeachment was and still is the legal remedy for any president who breaks the law. Trial in a court of law is the legal remedy for anyone accused of following an unlawful order OR breaking the law while following a lawful order (which appears to be the case here).
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:57 pm to Jbird
(1) this proves there was NO predicate to open the investigation.
(2) Strzok admits they have nothing but participates in opening 2 additional investigations of Trump/Russian collusion that span across 4 years, $10's of millions of dollars and 4 illegal fisa warrants to spy on the POTUS.
Not a single person has gone to jail.......yet.
(2) Strzok admits they have nothing but participates in opening 2 additional investigations of Trump/Russian collusion that span across 4 years, $10's of millions of dollars and 4 illegal fisa warrants to spy on the POTUS.
Not a single person has gone to jail.......yet.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Are you implying that the parties involved were all operating in good faith as they fabricated evidence and swore to a court that it was accurate in order to surveil on a citizen and potential/current president? Including creating a perjury trap to ensnare Flynn - from surveillance that was improved based on this false intelligence?
This isn’t hopium either - it’s been shown to be absolutely true with malicious intent.
This isn’t hopium either - it’s been shown to be absolutely true with malicious intent.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The criminal immunity ruling came a few decades after his saga.
So, there is really nothing stopping any POTUS from using known fabricated intelligence reports as weapons against their political opponents then, right? You would see no legal problem with JD Vance and Trump doing so against the upcoming Dem candidate, right?
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 12:59 pm to SquatchDawg
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Are you implying that the parties involved were all operating in good faith as they fabricated evidence and swore to a court that it was accurate in order to surveil on a citizen and potential/current president? Including creating a perjury trap to ensnare Flynn - from surveillance that was improved based on this false intelligence?
This is exactly what he is saying.
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This isn’t hopium either - it’s been shown to be absolutely true with malicious intent.
SFP is behind on the news. He isn't aware of this.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:00 pm to SquatchDawg
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Are you implying that the parties involved were all operating in good faith
"Good faith" is something I never referenced.
I said that the underlying analyses at issue are subjective and based on opinions, and proving otherwise at a criminal trial will require a mind reader or smoking gun.
Then when you sprinkle in all the expansion in the powers and protections of the executive the past 13 months, and it gets even harder.
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