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re: Newly released 9/11 footage of Pentagon: Airliner or missile?

Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48925 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:03 pm to
10 pages and no TXTIGER? I hope he got some help and is working on his issues. If he didn't come out for this thread, it makes me worry a bit.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:04 pm to
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I remember this one...bottom line that guy had to fly a plane at 500 MPH 25 feet off of the ground to hit the pentagon at that angle, nearly impossible, also the mess left behind was not that of a typical plane crash.



Nearly impossible doesn't equate to never happening. It's nearly impossible for me to win the lottery, but someone does almost every week. It's not like they were surrounded by mountains and obstructions. Furthermore, this is in no way your "typical" plane crash. The Pentagon was covered in limestone. It would not have done much of anything to stop the plane. Couple that with a full load of jet fuel penetrating into the interior, the destruction is very logical.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:05 pm to
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Look at pics of a plane crash then look at the pentagon after, no where near the same carnage.


Correct. A plane crash usually involves a plane crashing into the ground or a body of water. Maybe I'm missing what you're getting at? What are you trying to point out?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:06 pm to
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There were a lot of eyewitnesses that said they saw a missile hit the twin towers. Even a few reporters said it was a missile.

bullshite.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:08 pm to
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What are you trying to point out?


Often, truthers don’t really have a specific point.

Mostly, they just pick something, make it seem mysterious (usually by selectively omitting information) and then sit back and go “hmmmm?!?!”
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 5:09 pm
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:10 pm to
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There were a lot of eyewitnesses that said they saw a missile hit the twin towers. Even a few reporters said it was a missile.



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bullshite.


No shite. Some people can't be helped. A fricking missile travels at around 7000 mph (almost all security cameras today wouldn't pick that up), 14x the speed of the plane in question. I suppose they heard it before it hit and looked up to see it?

Maybe some will realize why that isn't possible.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:11 pm to
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Often, truthers don’t really have a specific point.

Mostly, they just pick something, make it seem mysterious (usually by selectively omitting information) and then sit back and go “hmmmm?!?!”


I agree.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12908 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:12 pm to
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'm actually willing to entertain theories on Flight 93. It wouldn't surprise me if it was shot down.


Don’t entertain it. The military jets that were scrambled did not have any A2A missles on board. They were also initially scrambled in the opposite direction to defend against planes coming from overseas. The only way they would have been able to down an airliner would have been to bang into them or crash into them.

Also, to ease your mind about a shoot down, review the photos of the Malaysian jet that was shot down over the Ukraine by the Russians and then photos of the site of 93,
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
2803 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:12 pm to
9/11 Truthers are the kind of people who will believe anything as long as the "right" people tell them to.

I could tell them the sky is blue, but if Michael Moore tells them it's green they'll try to convince me that it's a lovely shade of emerald.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46624 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:15 pm to
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10 pages and no TXTIGER? I hope he got some help and is working on his issues. If he didn't come out for this thread, it makes me worry a bit.




This is date night for TxTiger and Golddenugget.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:16 pm to
It’s like that guy with all the Missing 411 books and YouTube videos about national park disappearences. I think it’s David Paulides or something.

If you do your own research on a case-by-case basis you discover that he selectively omits certain known facts in order to make circumstances seem mysterious. In just about every case there’s a sad but totally humdrum explanation that’s easily discernible when you know ALL the facts.

Just like most 911 Truth posters, he likes to play the “strange, hmmmm?!?!?” card and then walk away without connecting his non-mysterious mysteries to any definite explanation because he knows any far-out explanation he could offer would sound ludicrous and he’d lose credibility.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 5:19 pm
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2419 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:17 pm to
I believe Bush and Cheney wanted the war with Iraq and Afghanistan, and as their PNAC document said it wouldn't likely happen "absent a new Pearl Harbor ".
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2419 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:23 pm to
Why would Saudi officials (including Bandar, a close friend of Bush) finance this type of attack on us? Bandar and the Saudis coughed up the money for Iran-Contra and I believe they coughed up the money for 9/11, not because they wanted to attack us, but because his poppy Bush wanted to.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:27 pm to
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#DeepState


There is most definitely a #DeepState, they're called career politicians, but they are most certainly not smart enough to pull something like 9/11 off. These people can't have it both ways, either politicians are more intelligent than the average Joe or they're idiots.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35577 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:28 pm to
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also the mess left behind was not that of a typical plane crash

You believe that was a "typical plane crash"?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:29 pm to
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If you do your own research on a case-by-case basis you discover that he selectively omits certain known facts in order to make circumstances seem mysterious. In just about every case there’s a sad but totally humdrum explanation that’s easily discernible when you know ALL the facts.


Again, I agree. It's the same mindset that can be seen in other topics also. Extreme environmentalism..green energy..odd diets and fear of modern food production, history and the evolution of cultures or social orders, etc. It's basically the same mental aberration type, just applied to different topics. Facts don't seem to matter.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:30 pm to
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I believe Bush and Cheney wanted the war with Iraq and Afghanistan

What is that belief based on?
Just curious.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:32 pm to
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Why would Saudi officials (including Bandar, a close friend of Bush) finance this type of attack on us?


Because fracking was about to become widespread, it was known how much oil was in the North Americas once it became widely used, their easy drilling days were numbered, they needed to drive up oil prices so they could transition their economy from something other than solely commodity based. America and the Saudis have always been fake friends, killing a few thousand of us doesn't ruin their day.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:35 pm to
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Bandar and the Saudis coughed up the money for Iran-Contra and I believe they coughed up the money for 9/11, not because they wanted to attack us, but because his poppy Bush wanted to.

What are you basing that claim on?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35577 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:37 pm to
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missile
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Without question.


What kind of missiles are that large? Did they fire an ICBM? What kind of missile travels slow enough to be captured on a 1 FPS camera?

eta- I see that's already been asked
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 5:39 pm
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