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Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:19 pm to Simpkjo
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I always kinda wondered how the planes wings cut the steel making plane sized holes in the towers but no wings cut out even small parts of the concrete walls of pentagon.
Seems like you kind of answered the question yourself here.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:28 pm to TDsngumbo
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One of the things that truthers point to is the fact that the exact section of the Pentagon that was hit by the plane had just recently been renovated and reinforced to protect against terrorist truck bombs. So it was an extremely strong section that was hit.
That doesn't make any sense. If it was a conspiracy, why would they target a less vulnerable section?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:34 pm to kingbob
Before plane enters screen:
Right When plane enters screen:
The Pentagon is 71' tall, that section of the plane would be roughly 20'.. Looks about right to me!
Right When plane enters screen:
The Pentagon is 71' tall, that section of the plane would be roughly 20'.. Looks about right to me!
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:36 pm to idlewatcher
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The gas station or the Pentagon?
Neither. The street.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:36 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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This will only get worse as time goes on. The younger, low information, believe everything on twitter generational wasn’t even alive for 9/11. Can’t even imagine the lunacy they’ll come up with.
I've thought about this. I think in another 20 years, as 9/11 fades further into history, the truther BS will become fairly mainstream.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:39 pm to northshorebamaman
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This will only get worse as time goes on. The younger, low information, believe everything on twitter generational wasn’t even alive for 9/11. Can’t even imagine the lunacy they’ll come up with.
I've thought about this. I think in another 20 years, as 9/11 fades further into history, the truther BS will become fairly mainstream.
I mean, look at all the people applying present day presumptions to what sort of footage they expected the Pentagon to have had in 2001.
Fact is, government buildings - yes, even the Pentagon - weren't anywhere close to blanketed with high def cameras until after 2001.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:44 pm to kingbob
quote:Without question.
missile
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:53 pm to AlxTgr
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Without question.
That's a huge arse missile then. For comparison, a Tomahawk has a 20.4" diameter. What in God's name was launched? An ICBM?
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Also, how the hell would a missle come in that low to the ground?
It wouldn't.
Also, the size of it would put that in mythical missile status. Its an airplane
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:57 pm to Cooter Davenport
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People weren’t carrying around video cameras. Or any camera at all.
Buildings, even government ones, didn’t have a proliferation of surveillance cameras. There were probably only cameras at the gates and on the doors, and they were low quality and expensive.
No shite there weren't cellphones but The Pentagon, the most secure building on the planet, certainly had cameras covering every inch of their property from multiple angles. Hell my business at the time not only had cameras inside but we also had one covering the back of our building. Are you really saying that is the best video that exists of the plane approaching the Pentagon? I mean come on..... Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:04 pm to lsu480
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No shite there weren't cellphones but The Pentagon, the most secure building on the planet, certainly had cameras covering every inch of their property from multiple angles. Hell my business at the time not only had cameras inside but we also had one covering the back of our building. Are you really saying that is the best video that exists of the plane approaching the Pentagon? I mean come on.....
It was 2001.
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There are a number of valid reasons why only 4 of the 85 videos were released by the FBI in response to a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request filed in 2004, which was fulfilled in 2006. Because of a number of factors (listed below and detailed in the footnotes) only 2 of the 85 cameras captured any useful footage of the plane-impact event[1].
-Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
-Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
-Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
-In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
-In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
-The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:37 pm to AUsteriskPride
Ya there is just no way I believe that is the best video that exists. They may have very valid reasons for not releasing, including respect for the families, but that isn't the best video. And they wouldn't even have to be video of the impact to shut truthers up, just video of the approach in close proximity to the Pentagon would have shut people up. Yes it was 2001 but remember this was THE PENTAGON!
I only know of this one video, does anyone know where to view the other three????
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There are a number of valid reasons why only 4 of the 85 videos were released by the FBI in response to a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request filed in 2004, which was fulfilled in 2006. Because of a number of factors (listed below and detailed in the footnotes) only 2 of the 85 cameras captured any useful footage of the plane-impact event[1].
I only know of this one video, does anyone know where to view the other three????
Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:45 pm to upgrayedd
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So what happened to all the people in that plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon?
Idk about them, but the ones over PA held cell phone calls for 18-22 minutes ...
On an airplane...
In 2001...
Over rural mountainous PA...No cell towers
Then the aircraft fell like it was shot down...
Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:46 pm to lsu480
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I only know of this one video, does anyone know where to view the other three????
I am sure you looked at the captures above I posted, height differential alone indicates a commercial plane. The main point I think you're missing though is the frame rate. At most we're talking 8 per second at the time, but realistically they were probably around 3 considering the location of the camera. A plane traveling at 550 mph is covering 807 feet per second. There is roughly 75 yards in that camera angle. So the plane was traveling at roughly 270 yards per second, making the capture perfectly understandable.
I feel like you're holding on to some prior theory you had and are unable to recognize the conspiracy theory at this point is easily reasoned away.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:48 pm to IceTiger
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Idk about them, but the ones over PA held cell phone calls for 18-22 minutes ...
On an airplane...
In 2001...
Over rural mountainous PA...No cell towers
Then the aircraft fell like it was shot down...
I'm actually willing to entertain theories on Flight 93. It wouldn't surprise me if it was shot down.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:51 pm to AUsteriskPride
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The Pentagon is 71' tall, that section of the plane would be roughly 20'.. Looks about right to me!
Yeah, it looks close to a small airliner size...the hump in the front and no large tail could just be camera anomolies/artifacts...but if they are camera artifacts, then why is the jet not appearing excessively long...
The colors also disappear...could also be video artifact...
But the fireball explosion is pretty interesting, like a movie production!
Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:53 pm to northshorebamaman
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I'm actually willing to entertain theories on Flight 93. It wouldn't surprise me if it was shot down
Yeah, it and building 7 are the most interesting parts of 9/11...
There is ample reason to question motive and buildings dropping, but not near as interesting.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 2:59 pm to IceTiger
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But the fireball explosion is pretty interesting, like a movie production!
A 757 holds 11,500 gallons of jet fuel. It was flying to Los Angeles from Virginia. Here was the path it took:
I don't know what you think 10,000-11,000 gallons of jet fuel will do at impact, but I'm guess it would cause quite the explosion, no?
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:07 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Were there any photos taken of the wreckage identifying the plane as an AA plane?
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