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Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:10 pm to uziyourillusion
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Upper middle class kids represent, what, maybe 10% of public school kids, if we’re being generous? I’m not going to get too hung up on a few well off kids getting free food if it means ALL the hungry kids have a full belly at school. Of all things to gripe about in this world, this shouldn’t be one of them.
Seems to me paying for those lunches is still stupid. And it's really not just upper middle class. Why would tax dollars be getting used to pay for the lunches of any kid whose parents can comfortably afford to pay for them? There's no rational argument for it. The entire argument seems to be we're going to do it so we don't embarrass the kids who actually need it which is frankly one of the stupidest fricking things I've ever heard in politics
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:19 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
Mwade and I had the following back and forth last night that he ultimately decided to change arguments because he saw how his arguments were failing.
Wade stated that the kids parents couldn't afford food.
I stated:
mwade's response was:
my response to that was
mwade then admitting defeat tried to change direction
My response
This goes for anyone here. If you are for feeding kids in perpetuity, then why not stop giving the parents that do not feed them, welfare?
Wade stated that the kids parents couldn't afford food.
I stated:
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Who can’t afford it? How many parents and their subsequent children can’t afford food? Aren’t these people already on food stamps? Is this not another government feeding program? Why will this one finally work when welfare and food stamps has apparently failed, as you have admitted?
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If this is your argument, then you must support ending the food stamp program then right? Because if so, then I agree. The food stamp program is such a failure that children are starving. And those a-hole parents aren’t feeding their kids, so shouldn’t we stop the failed program and give it to the kids instead? Will you fight for that? End food stamps/welfare in exchange for feeding the kids?
mwade's response was:
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Well kids aren’t in school 24/7, they also sometimes eat food on the weekends, so that would be ridiculous.
my response to that was
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You just said they were starving. So these parents are only neglecting their children’s health during the school year and only during the week? Your argument has just failed. You had a point if you wanted to end the failed food stamp program but you don’t. You want another failed government lunch program.
mwade then admitting defeat tried to change direction
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Some kids come from really shite home situations for a litany of reasons and public school is all they got. I’m cool with making sure they get lunch if they’re there and they need one.
It doesn’t have to be that complicated.
My response
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Explain why you won’t give these kids money from the failed welfare program. Explain why you want to keep this program that you already admitted is a failure. Explain why the parents that are literally starving their children are only doing it during the school year. If these parents are the monsters you are implying, then why are you fighting to give them money and not their children?
This goes for anyone here. If you are for feeding kids in perpetuity, then why not stop giving the parents that do not feed them, welfare?
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:26 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Seems to me paying for those lunches is still stupid.
I think it's stupid that I have to pay taxes for schools i don't use. But subsidizing that is the cost of living in a society. And i still don't have a problem with feeding kids.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:28 pm to mwade91383
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False, my entire argument can be boiled down to not punishing innocent kids
On one hand, you offer zero criticism and certainly aren't suggesting consequence for the actual person responsible for feeding the child who chooses not to.
At the same time, you characterize anything short of the government not providing lunch as "punishing innocent kids".
You are a bleeding heart and your emotional approach actually ends up increasing the punishment of these kids.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:29 pm to Ingeniero
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So tell me, what's the threshold and what's the response? At what point do we charge parents with crimes? Do the kids go into state custody? I'm trying to understand your position.
It's the same threshold that exists today outside of school and has existed forever. Why does this confuse you?
Are you not aware that parents are required to feed their children?
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:30 pm to billjamin
I always find it weird people say they don't use the school why should I pay for it?
Everyone in the community whether they went to that school or not benefits from it and the outcomes our education system produces everyday.
Everyone in the community whether they went to that school or not benefits from it and the outcomes our education system produces everyday.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:32 pm to moneyg
I have a hard time getting on board with free lunches, but I can understand the argument for them. i.e....I don't agree with it, but I see the Marxist's argument in favor of it.
Breakfast and after school meals??? Hell frikin' no!!!
Breakfast and after school meals??? Hell frikin' no!!!
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:34 pm to oklahogjr
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I always find it weird people say they don't use the school why should I pay for it?
Everyone in the community whether they went to that school or not benefits from it and the outcomes our education system produces everyday.
I'd rather use the money to pay for more prisons
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:36 pm to BugAC
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This goes for anyone here. If you are for feeding kids in perpetuity, then why not stop giving the parents that do not feed them, welfare?
Beyond that, why are these abusive parents allowed to continue to be custodian over the child they're at best neglecting if not starving? If we're gonna be responsible for feeding, clothing them, and housing them, then remove the custodian that chooses to be non functional. Construct the classic "orphanage" dormitories and leave the spawning entity to fend for themselves without their child's benefit check, that goes to the facility which will clothe and feed them.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:43 pm to mwade91383
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We're not even talking about the really expesnive stuff (housing, healthcare) and you're using this same tired shite to justify not supporting this (relatively) miniscule amount of support for innocent kids.
Quick google suggests that it's about $4-5 per meal. I think they are going to do lunch and breakfast.
$8-10 per student per day isn't really miniscule.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:58 pm to BugAC
Who is going to identify and sterilize these parents?
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:24 pm to Smeg
This is real simple. Quit having kids that you can't house, feed, clothes, etc... if you need someone else to subsist you, you shouldn't exist.
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