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re: New Trump sexual assault accusation from the Huffington Post
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:40 pm to davyjones
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:40 pm to davyjones
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but pretending someone's job and credentials don't matter to their claims (or that the revelation of them to readers/viewers is "elitist") is embarrassingly facile.
Notice how her job and credentials go to HER credibility despite remember zero details...…...but HIS job and credentials bear zero upon his credibility.
Heads I win, tails you lose!!!!
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:40 pm to ShortyRob
This is so obviously bullshite I'm surprised a rag even as bad as HuffPo would run it.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:41 pm to the808bass
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But a decades old accusation is shite in large part because it’s impossible to defend against. You accuse me next month of doing something today, I’ll present you with an alibi and witnesses. Wait two or three decades and there’s no defense. And that’s by design.
We’re arguing whether or not something happened, not whether or not it should be admissible in court. The law has an entirely different set of hurdles, while the law and truth are sometimes aligned, many true things don’t hold up in court because it’s an imperfect tool.
As I said before, just like with Kavanaugh situation, nothing will happen from this other than the accuser getting dragged. Trump will be fine from a political perspective. But that doesn’t mean he’s innocent.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:43 pm to MI LSU
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Are you saying straight-faced that someone could misremember getting raped?
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand, no one can forget that they were raped. On the other hand, it's common for someone to forget the date, time, place and witnesses from so long ago. Do you not comprehend how easy it is for the human mind to mix up a face or convince oneself someone did something, to the extent that they believe it to be objectively true even if it isn't?
Unless you want to start putting innocent people in prison, anyone who cannot remember the date and time he or she was raped and has zero corroborating evidence to support that accusation should not be deemed credible. No prosecutor would take that case to trial. No plaintiff's lawyer would file a civil suit with those facts. You want to turn due process into a lynch mob.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:43 pm to ShortyRob
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Notice how her job and credentials go to HER credibility despite remember zero details...…...but HIS job and credentials bear zero upon his credibility.
Heads I win, tails you lose!!!!
Lol IKR? Poster is just arguing for the hell of it at this point. Surely.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:44 pm to MI LSU
quote:Yes. And waiting 30 years to come forward when, by your own assertion, you're not some scared flower in the back of the room, CALLS THAT shite INTO QUESTION
We’re arguing whether or not something happened, not whether or not it should be admissible in court
quote:She should be. If YOU were falsely accused from 30 fricking years before, you'd drag the shite out of her.
As I said before, just like with Kavanaugh situation, nothing will happen from this other than the accuser getting dragged.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:44 pm to davyjones
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Lol IKR? Poster is just arguing for the hell of it at this point. Surely.
Poster is simply rehashing arguments he's made before on this board but using a different handle so he can make it fresh again.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:47 pm to MI LSU
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We’re arguing whether or not something happened, not whether or not it should be admissible in court.
We're arguing that no one should be presumed to have committed such a heinous act without proof...just bc there be no criminal proceeding in a given situation doesnt mean there's no substantial damage to be borne by the accused.
You're arguing that a mere allegation is sufficient to brand someone a rapist, and frankly that's a startling thought.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:52 pm to NIH
She’s taking one for the team... nothing more to it.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:54 pm to MI LSU
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i have a lengthy history here of talking about my distaste for politicians generally on both sides of the proverbial aisle
Just wanted to remind people of this post from MI LSU
"Lengthy history" = member for 10 years, fewer than 10 posts on this board prior to Nov 2018.
And, literally ZERO of his posts on this board would satisfy the claim
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talking about my distaste for politicians generally on both sides of the proverbial aisle
Dude is a huge Bernie supporter by his OWN admission on this board.
Saying that MI LSU is attempting to perpetrate a fraud is almost an insult to fraudsters.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:55 pm to davyjones
quote:Except literally ZERO liberals actually BELIEVE in that standard.
You're arguing that a mere allegation is sufficient to brand someone a rapist, and frankly that's a startling thought.
Hell. They showed that in Virginia!
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:57 pm to davyjones
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We're arguing that no one should be presumed to have committed such a heinous act without proof...just bc there be no criminal proceeding in a given situation doesnt mean there's no substantial damage to be borne by the accused.
Are you arguing, without proof, that these accusers are lying? That would be ironic, based on your position.
He-said-she-saids are tricky because there is no proof. We’ll never know if trump or kavanaugh did it. Trump is more likely guilty because he has a pattern of behavior and a sea of accusers (the Cosby/Sandusky effect), but there’s no proof. That doesn’t mean we should just ignore accusations.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:59 pm to davyjones
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We're arguing that no one should be presumed to have committed such a heinous act without proof...just bc there be no criminal proceeding in a given situation doesnt mean there's no substantial damage to be borne by the accused.
Textbook defamation, the libtards pulled this "not a courtroom" bullshite regarding the Kavanaugh hearings, saw through it because I suppose I consider myself an adherent to the golden rule and know how powerful a weapon defamation is, find it un-American quite frankly NO ONE should ever be presumed to have committed a heinous act without proof in this country, that's some Soviet Union shite
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:59 pm to MI LSU
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That doesn’t mean we should just ignore accusations.
Absent corroborating evidence or a legal system that shields the accused in the same manner as the accuser, we absolutely should ignore them.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:00 pm to MI LSU
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Are you saying straight-faced that someone could misremember getting raped?
You're damned right I am. $$ can create all kinds of of "false" memories. It's amazing after all these years, she suddenly has lucid recollections of a rape, purportedly by the President of the US, when he announces his bid for reelection. Wonder when her book deal goes public. Seems to be a pattern here.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:02 pm to ShortyRob
Ah, you poor dumb bastard, this is rookie shite: never argue against someone when their proof is public.
It’s right in my post history (as I pointed out).
I’ll edit later to add it in. Just because I’m petty like that.
It’s right in my post history (as I pointed out).
I’ll edit later to add it in. Just because I’m petty like that.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:02 pm to MI LSU
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Are you arguing, without proof, that these accusers are lying?
There's zero reason to believe them.
Zero
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He-said-she-saids are tricky because there is no proof
Exactly. Hence. Saying you believed one is silly. Especially when the person's cause benefits from the accusation.
quote:the sea of accusers ALL showed up after he ran for president
rump is more likely guilty because he has a pattern of behavior and a sea of accusers
ROFLMAO
Pattern. Ha
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:03 pm to MI LSU
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Ah, you poor dumb bastard, this is rookie shite: never argue against someone when their proof is public.
It’s right in my post history (as I pointed out)
LOL
no it isn't
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:05 pm to MI LSU
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Trump is more likely guilty because he has a pattern of behavior
You have personal knowledge of this purported "pattern of behavior" you allege Trump has or just making bullshite assumptions because you don't like him? I'm gonna presume the latter given your attitude in this thread.
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sea of accusers (the Cosby/Sandusky effect), but there’s no proof
IDGAF if 10,000 people accuse Trump of something, if they don't got proof it's all worth horseshite WE LIVE IN AMERICA HERE NOT THE SOVIET UNION WE AFFORD OUR ACCUSED THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT UNTIL PROOF INDICATES OTHERWISE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN FREEDOM AND THE AMERICAN DREAM NOT SOCIAL JUSTICE RETARDATION
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:11 pm to MI LSU
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Are you arguing, without proof, that these accusers are lying? That would be ironic, based on your position
Well sure. An accused has zero burden of proof to bear...it's the other way around.
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He-said-she-saids are tricky because there is no proof.
They are indeed tricky, and they're indeed brought to trial often on the basis of accuser's word alone. But that's a losing case more often than not. Prosecutor can present evidence of a prior act of that same nature, that will definitely help their case, but absent that or any other corroborating evidence...typically gonna be a not guilty. As an aside, a juvenile'd word alone will be more likely to be believed and deemed credible than an adult.
But as far as the reference to Cosby, Sandusky et al, that demonstrates that there are avenues of corroborating an allegation....proof even of such an act well in the past is not nearly impossible. Even testimony of an acquaintance of Ford's that she confided such a momentous injury would have greatly bolstered her claim.
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