re: New state model for education

bullshite...those people can actually articulate an argument.

Go ahead and peddle your bullshite assuming everyone here is stupid

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Do away with standardized testing. It is the downfall of our education system. As DJT would say, “a complete disaster.”

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For the life of me, I cannot understand why some people are against the BEST way of improving schools - mandatory testing.

The USA ranks behind a lot of countries when aptitude is measured in all kinds of subjects. 20th in math and so on.

The countries ahead of the USA like Finland, Korea, Canada, Germany, France all of them have one thing in common, frequent and vigorous testing.

I went to a German High School after also attending a USA High School and the German school was much were vigorous and we all took it more seriously because we knew test would determine whether we graduated or not.

NY Post op-ed. -

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NYC schools are again promoting students who aren’t ready for the next grade

When summer school begins Thursday, thousands of kids will be absent.

That’s because Mayor de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Carmen Fariña are letting them off the hook, promoting them to the next grade without requiring summer catch-up classes, even if they’re not ready.

Schools now focus more on teachers’ OPINIONS and less on test scores.

The upshot? More kids are moved ahead with no solid evidence they’re ready. And despite the fact Fariña vowed “consistent levels of retention with this new approach.”

“After promising [not to] return to an era of social promotion, when struggling students were merely passed from grade to grade, Mayor de Blasio has deceptively halved the number of students receiving the critical summer-school education that they need,” said Kittredge. Kids will suffer. Why’s the city doing it? Because it makes it easier for schools to get floundering kids out of the system quicker.

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Nice alt.

in every single one of these threads I am still completely befuddled that people don't see that our current education system is basically Sears Circa 1990

You don't need to change the state's model. The customers are going to change the state's model. The competitors are going to change the state's model

And when they are done the state's model will largely exist to attempt to educate the children of parents who don't give a frick.

I agree except we are based on maybe a 1945 model. I think we need vouchers for everyone with bus service to maybe 3 closest schools

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You don't need to change the state's model. The customers are going to change the state's model. The competitors are going to change the state's model

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With the level of control the government has over schools, I just dont see it any time soon. Government is supposed to be representative of the people. Why couldnt someone theoretically run for office to remove the barriers for innovation placed apon education by the state.

My plan doesnt add any regulation, it removes all of it. It also allows taxpayers to use the money they paid in taxes to make a choice themselves with how they want to spend it.

Ignoramuses like dixiechick(which im sure have an alternative motive) can make a fuss about government being involved in education but im pragmatic. Id love for us to not pay these taxes in the first place...but it just isnt feasible. My eliminates not only the state hold on education but also the corruption that can come from local governments(which is ofter worse than the state or fed). It gives all the power to the consumer and the ability to use their own tax dollars to see their child is educated in the best way possible.

The 8-3 model sucks. It is too corrupted by incompetent local politicians and strings from the state and federal government. Its time to cut the strings.

There are a lot of simply bad ideas here from multiple sides. Yes, I am a teacher. No, I am not in a union. I am about as conservative as one kind find.

1. School choice is a lie, and thinking vouchers will open new ones is a bigger lie. Why? Schools are not profitable. Never have been. Never will be. Aren't vouchers just another approach to Pell Grants and student loans? Most areas are simply too rural to offer school choice.

2. Comparing US test scores to foreign scores is comparing apples to custom grown square watermelons. We teach and test EVERYBODY who goes to school in this country, AND we send EVERYBODY to school. Only the best and brightest even get to go to school in many countries. While little Johnny Merican with a 78 IQ and his many similar friends are attempting to take the ACT (I am not shitting you), little Kim Wong with a 78 IQ is working in a lithium mine, sewing Nikes, or making Iphones.

3. The mass majority of Americans, regardless of their race or gender, are more concerned with the distance of the school from their workplace, the sports possibilities, or how "prestigious" the school appears, rather than actual results.

It's much more complicated than most people understand. Even I have a hard time pointing to many viable solutions. The students are a genetic and social product of their environments, and the schools are generally a reflection. Mountain Brook High School will be the best high school in Alabama for a long time, because 84% of the adult population has at least a bachelor's degree. The schools in impoverished areas, with broken homes, and adult illiteracy will never succeed beyond a certain point. The culture is toxic.

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I assume this is also an idealistic world where discipline is not affected or influenced by lawsuits, right?

I had an inner city student transfer into my class halfway through September one year. He had an aunt who lived in an apartment in our district and his older brother murdered someone in a drug deal gone bad in Ensley (probably the worst neighborhood in Birmingham). So thinking life was like Fresh Prince, his mother sent him to a predominantly white area (about 80% white) to get a good education.

He ruined the class. He was loud. Couldn’t hold still. He made the other students uncomfortable. He made me uncomfortable. He was disrespectful and distrusting of any authority figure. He needed constant one-on-one direction to help him understand the material and keep him on task. He sucked up my attention most days and it took until December for enough crap to happen to have him sent to the alternative school. And that was at least him moving to to the district.

I had other students with similar backgrounds cause similar problem. Perhaps that’s merely anecdotal, but I would be rather upset as a parent if I bought a nice house in a nice area and my kids’ education was disrupted due to kids with vouchers coming and going as they please. I think you’re underestimating the reality of kids from low income environments mixing with those from high income ones.

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If you operated your own school would you have kept this student if he had a voucher?

Of course not.

BUT since this kid does have a voucher there will be schools that cater to just his circumstances as somebody will want that money.