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New state model for education

Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:29 am
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:29 am
Lets say you theoretically were in a position of power to revamp your state's education model to both improve results and also make your state more attractive as a place to move. What would you do?

My answer(feel free to drop your own as well):

-Eliminate mandatory standardized state graduation requirements. Students may have the option of taking standardized exams if they choose if they are necessary for colleges they want to attend. Maybe you can choose to take exams with different levels of difficulty to show your competency.

-Eliminate the mandatory 8-3 day. Schools can choose whatever curriculum they desire to. Some may choose to be technical schools, some may choose to be a standard 8-3 school, some may be a mix of different models.

-Parents choose the school they want their kids to attend. Take away all public funding for schools and give it to the people. Everyone, rich or poor, gets a voucher that would be the equivalent of what they state(local, state, federal etc) would have spent on them for the 8-3 model. Schools can charge what they want to. It may be more or less than the voucher. Schools can also offer scholarships or needs based assistance.

-You are free to donate your voucher if your kid doesnt need it OR sell whatever wasnt used after the kid turns 18(kid will legally own the remaining vouchers. These possibly could be forfeited for discipline problems.

-Schools have complete autonomy over discipline. State funding is only tied to school by use of vouchers. If discipline is too lax or too strict, parents can take their money elsewhere. Kids can be expelled at the complete discretion of the school.

-No state "Teacher's Certificate" is required. If you are a competent electrician and want to teach that a couple of days a week, a school could hire you to do that. Same for any other subject.

-Kids could possibly attend different schools on different days of the week depending on what those schools offer.

-Athletics: will be governed by a state body(or possibly private organization) separately from academics. Kid might have to possibly pick a primary school which he competes for. Coaches dont have to be teachers. Schools will have to pay them what they can.

-Schools can have whatever graduation protocol they want to. You might "graduate" from a technical program at 16 but continue on with another academic curriculum till you are 18. Some schools might have graduation after 10th or 11th year. It just depends on the school.

Obviously you cant just roll this out day one of next school year. Have a 5-10 year rollout program where existing school buildings are sold to investors(who agree to a binding contract to use the building as a schools). You may not see changes to schools for several years.

Also you could allow for community investment in schools. If you buy stock in a school, much like a company you get voting power on electing board members for that particular school...who would hire the principals and staff.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 9:39 am
Posted by dixiechick
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:51 am to
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Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:55 am to
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-Parents choose the school they want their kids to attend

I've always been a proponent of the voucher system as a means for forcing underperforming schools to get their act together. Produce or perish.

When the corrupt teacher's unions and obama oppose vouchers then you just know it's a good idea.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7099 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:56 am to
Only two subjects taught in elementary school. Arithmetic and English, with recess breaks for kids to blow off energy. All work to be done with pencil and paper.

A lot of problems in middle school and high school would go away if kids had a solid foundation to the two core subjects.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45654 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:57 am to
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How about we just keep the public and private sectors COMPLETELY separate. Period. Get back to attendance zones/zip code schools for public schools with true local control where locally elected school boards, parents and taxpaying citizens decide what kind of public school they want
You mean, like Texas?
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:27 am to
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dixiechick


Found the terrible union teacher

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parents and taxpaying citizens decide what kind of public school they want


As long as its an 8-3 school where teachers get paid and keep their jobs no matter how shitty they are.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 10:34 am
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22154 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:31 am to
Wouldn’t much of that cost you federal funding?
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:35 am to
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Wouldn’t much of that cost you federal funding?



Maybe, but how much federal funding do schools actually get?

Getting lots of downvotes from union teachers probably lol.

Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22154 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:40 am to
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Maybe, but how much federal funding do schools actually get? Getting lots of downvotes from union teachers probably lol.


Maybe 10%. You’d also have to consider impacts on accreditation. Could end up graduating kids who can’t get into college if you don’t meet the mandates of those groups, who largely follow what the feds say do.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3252 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:46 am to
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Only two subjects taught in elementary school. Arithmetic and English, with recess breaks for kids to blow off energy. All work to be done with pencil and paper.

A lot of problems in middle school and high school would go away if kids had a solid foundation to the two core subjects.


Some may mock this, but there is more correct with this idea than there is wrong. Confidence and competency in reading/writing/arithmetic is key to success in other subjects and life in general.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:08 am to
Dissolve teacher's unions.

All teachers hired as independent contractors for whatever salary and benefits they can negotiate.

No education degrees for high school, minimum BA in field of choice or 6 years work experience.

No school resource officers.

No standardized testing.

Monday through Thursday, 9-3 school week with an additional 9-1 half day on Friday solely dedicated to community service - students required to attend at least 2 Friday sessions per month.

5 one-hour periods with 1 hour for lunch/recess/study hall.

Year round schooling on a 5/2/4/2 on/off quarterly schedule.

No longer compulsory after age 16, provided you have proof of employment.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:18 am to
Fund all education with vouchers and leave it at that. If local governments want to run government schools let them but the only public funding would come from the vouchers they receive.

We would see amazing changes in education if this happened. There would be people start schools to deal with "at risk children", schools for "gifted children" schools for jocks, ect.

Families deserve choice.

Our system that consists of a bunch of bureaucrats dictating where you must send you kids to school if you are to receive the public funded education you are taxed your entire life to fund is very much like the politburo models of the old USSR.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18278 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:21 am to
I guess I don’t really understand the voucher system very well. What’s to prevent the kids from an inner city school flooding the high achieving school in the suburb?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32493 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:33 am to
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Only two subjects taught in elementary school. Arithmetic and English,

I would switch this to only teaching science and math. Reading and grammar can be taught through science.

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with recess breaks for kids to blow off energy.

We need way more recess and PE. More classes like science need to be taught outside.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:34 am to
Nothing. What's the big deal?

You are not looking at the big picture. Imagine a population of people with vouchers worth $10-15,000 a year shopping for a school. Thousands of schools would open in hopes of attracting these consumers just as there are thousands of grocery stores. The consumers, shoppers, will make decisions on which schools they want just as they make decisions on all other services today--performance in delivering the services the consumer wants.

Lots of people want their kids in schools with great football teams. Let them. Lots of people want schools that can deal with their mentally challenged kids. On and on.

There are teachers out there now that faced with the opportunity to run their classrooms in a different manner would do just that.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:01 pm to
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What’s to prevent the kids from an inner city school flooding the high achieving school in the suburb?


Thats the whole point. Schools that prove they are able to successfully allocate resources to provide achievement are given more resources to provide services to more students. Schools that cannot successfully allocate their resources towards achievement receive less money and fewer students until they demonstrate that they can.

Principals and administrators would earn the frick out of their pay in a voucher system, for sure. They'd be more like CEOs and less like their lawyer/HR role they currently have.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:02 pm to
Eliminate evolution as mandatory. Offer both creationism and evolution as electives and let the students and their parents choose.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18278 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:16 pm to
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Nothing. What's the big deal?

I assume this is also an idealistic world where discipline is not affected or influenced by lawsuits, right?

I had an inner city student transfer into my class halfway through September one year. He had an aunt who lived in an apartment in our district and his older brother murdered someone in a drug deal gone bad in Ensley (probably the worst neighborhood in Birmingham). So thinking life was like Fresh Prince, his mother sent him to a predominantly white area (about 80% white) to get a good education.

He ruined the class. He was loud. Couldn’t hold still. He made the other students uncomfortable. He made me uncomfortable. He was disrespectful and distrusting of any authority figure. He needed constant one-on-one direction to help him understand the material and keep him on task. He sucked up my attention most days and it took until December for enough crap to happen to have him sent to the alternative school. And that was at least him moving to to the district.

I had other students with similar backgrounds cause similar problem. Perhaps that’s merely anecdotal, but I would be rather upset as a parent if I bought a nice house in a nice area and my kids’ education was disrupted due to kids with vouchers coming and going as they please. I think you’re underestimating the reality of kids from low income environments mixing with those from high income ones.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22154 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:22 pm to
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I guess I don’t really understand the voucher system very well. What’s to prevent the kids from an inner city school flooding the high achieving school in the suburb?


Same thing preventing their school from being high achieving today, shitty parents who lack means or will to make it better.
Posted by VolsOut4Harambe
Atlanta, GA
Member since Sep 2017
12856 posts
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:23 pm to
Do away with standardized testing. It is the downfall of our education system. As DJT would say, “a complete disaster.”
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