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re: Netanyahu Defies Trump's Order not to Strike Iran

Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:41 pm to
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1192 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:41 pm to
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Hell yes, Israel has every right to respond in kind


Israel has been skirting the rules forever. Did you know Israel has nuclear weapons? Do you know that Israel has NOT signed the nuclear non proliferation agreement? Do you know that is ILLEGAL for the US to provide aid to to states that have nuclear weapons that don't agree to the agreement?

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Israel maintains a longstanding policy of nuclear ambiguity (neither confirming nor denying possession of nuclear weapons) and is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The US government has adhered to a parallel policy of not officially acknowledging Israeli nuclear weapons, dating back to understandings in the Nixon era. This avoids triggering certain statutory prohibitions.


So we get to pretend that Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons while imagining how awful it would be if another nation would hope to achieve the same security.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 11:50 pm
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
6814 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:44 pm to
Asking them to lay off was ignorant anyway and just showing weakness before an enemy that can spot weakness from a mile away. In this situation Trump can either lead, follow, or get out of the way. Right now Trump is doing none of the above. It’s time to pick a coarse of action besides negotiation. We have got absolutely nowhere negotiating with Iran in years. We got nowhere negotiating with them before the war or the past couple of months. If negotiating with Iran was going to produce fruit then it would have done so long ago. If all the military and economic pressure they have faced the past few months has not forced them into setting with the US by now then it isn’t going to happen at all and we need to change course from negotiating and do something that either will produce positive results or just simply come home and get out of the Israelis way and let them finish this. All we are doing is making everything worse by insisting on negotiating some fantasyland deal.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16619 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:48 pm to
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Do you know that is ILLEGAL for the US to provide aid to to states that have nuclear weapons that don't agree to the agreement?


Apparently you don't.

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Because the law contains built-in exemptions and presidential waivers rather than an absolute, unconditional ban, providing aid to these states is discretionary and permitted under specific legal conditions, rather than automatically illegal.


Google
Posted by everytrueson
Southern California
Member since Mar 2012
7836 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:49 pm to
Good. Let them get this over with already.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1192 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:52 pm to
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specific legal conditions


Ok genius, what specific legal conditions permit this?
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16619 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:57 pm to
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Ok genius, what specific legal conditions permit this?


Try reading. I'm not your teacher.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1192 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:01 am to
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Try reading. I'm not your teacher


Why did you post then?
Posted by Easye921
Mobile
Member since Jan 2013
3189 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:01 am to
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You're good with the Israelis deliberately sabotaging any negotiations we are engaged in?

What the hell is wrong with some of you?


Iran is never going to agree to our terms. Negotiations have been supposedly going on for what two months now and were no closer to an agreement than we were at the start. This whole ordeal has been a giant cluster frick of epic proportions.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1192 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:05 am to
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Iran is never going to agree to our terms.


Why should they? We have given amazing exceptions to their enemy (Israel). Why wouldn't they shoot for the moon?
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16619 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:07 am to
Because you were spouting lied.

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No, it is not broadly illegal under U.S. law for the United States to provide foreign or military aid to states that possess nuclear weapons and have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), though the legality depends heavily on executive determinations and specific legislative waivers. [1, 2]

While there are strict domestic statutes intended to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons, U.S. law contains built-in legal workarounds, exceptions, and presidential waiver authorities that allow aid to flow to non-NPT nuclear states under certain conditions. [1, 2]

Key U.S. Nonproliferation Laws and Waivers

Several provisions within the Foreign Assistance Act and the Arms Export Control Act regulate how the U.S. can deliver aid to nuclear-armed countries: [1, 2, 3]

The Symington Amendment (22 U.S.C. § 2799aa): This law bans U.S. economic and military assistance to any country that delivers or receives nuclear enrichment equipment or technology outside of international safeguards. However, the President can waive this restriction if they certify to Congress that terminating aid would seriously damage vital U.S. security interests.The Glenn Amendment (22 U.S.C. § 2799aa-1): This statute mandates severe sanctions—including a cutoff of foreign aid, military financing, and export licenses—against any non-nuclear-weapon state that detonates a nuclear explosive device. Congress has previously amended this law or granted specific authorities to allow the executive branch to bypass these restrictions when geopolitically necessary.Material Breach Restraints (22 U.S.C. § 2753(f)): The law blocks defense sales or leases to nations that materially breach nonproliferation commitments to the U.S.. However, this requires a formal determination by the President. If the executive branch avoids making an official declaration regarding a nation's unsafeguarded nuclear status, the legal triggers to halt aid are never activated.Real-World Applications and ScenariosBecause these domestic laws hinge on presidential declarations and national security exceptions, the U.S. has legally maintained aid to non-signatory nuclear powers through different mechanisms:The Case of Israel: Israel has never signed the NPT and maintains a policy of "nuclear opacity," neither confirming nor denying its nuclear arsenal. Because no U.S. president has ever made an official, formal determination that Israel possesses nuclear weapons, the statutory bans on foreign aid have never been legally triggered, allowing multi-billion dollar aid packages to continue.The Case of Pakistan: Following Pakistan's open nuclear weapons tests in 1998, the Glenn Amendment's mandatory aid cutoffs were initially triggered. However, following the September 11 attacks, the U.S. Congress passed legislation allowing the President to waive those nonproliferation sanctions, legally restoring billions of dollars in military and economic assistance.The Case of India: India is also a non-signatory to the NPT. Rather than bypassing restrictions through yearly waivers, the U.S. negotiated the landmark U.S.-India Civil Nuclear Agreement, which effectively adjusted export controls to allow civilian nuclear cooperation and aid while recognizing India's de facto nuclear status.What About International Law?Under international treaties like the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW), providing any form of assistance or financing to a state engaged in nuclear weapons activities is strictly illegal. However, the United States is not a party to the TPNW and has actively opposed it, meaning the U.S. is not legally bound by its terms.Under the NPT (which the U.S. has signed), the restriction is more narrow: Article I only prohibits the U.S. from assisting a non-nuclear state in manufacturing or acquiring a nuclear weapon. It does not universally ban general diplomatic, economic, or conventional military aid to nations outside the agreement.



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Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1192 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:10 am to
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No, it is not broadly illegal under U.S. law for the United States to provide foreign or military aid to states that possess nuclear weapons and have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), though the legality depends heavily on executive determinations and specific legislative waivers. [1, 2]


What the hell is "Broadly Illegal"? That is the opening line of your entire argument. Can you tell me what that means?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
47188 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:10 am to
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None of those conditions have been met for Israel, so I'm not sure of the point of your post. His point is materially correct
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38482 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:18 am to
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Netanyahu is fricking with the bull.


Who, Trump? The “we have a great deal almost signed” guy who has repeated it every day for two months now while Iran bombs the Middle East and commercial ships?
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16619 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:26 am to
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No, it is not illegal under U.S. law for the United States to provide foreign and military aid to Israel, despite Israel possessing nuclear weapons and not being a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). [1]

While U.S. nonproliferation laws—specifically the Symington Amendment and the Glenn Amendment—technically ban economic and military aid to countries that develop or acquire nuclear capabilities outside international safeguards, these laws are not triggered in the case of Israel. [1, 2, 3]

The Legal Loophole: "Nuclear Opacity" and Executive Determinations

The primary reason U.S. aid to Israel remains entirely legal under domestic statutes comes down to a deliberate policy of deliberate ambiguity and a lack of a formal presidential determination: [1, 2]

No Official Determination: U.S. laws like the Symington Amendment do not automatically cut off aid based on global consensus or news reports. Instead, they legally require a formal, official determination by the President of the United States stating that a country has acquired unsafeguarded nuclear technology. [1]

The Policy of Opacity: Israel maintains a strict policy of "nuclear opacity" (amimut), meaning it has never officially confirmed or denied possessing nuclear weapons. In tandem, no U.S. president has ever issued an official finding declaring Israel a nuclear-armed state. Because that legal trigger is never pulled, the bans on aid are never activated.

Internal Executive Directives: To prevent the legal trigger from being tripped, the U.S. executive branch operates under strict internal classification rules (such as historical Department of Energy directives like WNP-136). These guidelines effectively bar federal officials from making public, official pronouncements concerning Israel's nuclear weapons program.

Legal Challenges in U.S. CourtsAdvocacy groups and arms-control researchers have tried to use the U.S. court system to declare aid to Israel illegal.
For example, a major lawsuit was filed by the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy arguing that billions of dollars in aid to Israel violated the Symington and Glenn amendments.U.S. courts have consistently dismissed these lawsuits. Under the American legal system, federal judges look at foreign policy as a "political question." The courts rule that they do not have the constitutional authority to force the President to make a specific foreign policy determination. Therefore, the judiciary leaves the legal interpretation of these nonproliferation statutes entirely to the White House.

Current Evolution of U.S.-Israel Military Financing

The legal framework surrounding this funding is transitioning from traditional "foreign aid" toward strategic defense partnerships:

The Current Framework: U.S. military aid is bound by a 10-year
Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) running through 2028, guaranteeing $3.8 billion annually ($3.3 billion in Foreign Military Financing and $500 million for joint missile defense like the Iron Dome).
The Shift to Defense Production: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has openly discussed phasing out traditional U.S. foreign aid in favor of an equal military-industrial partnership.
Deepening Integration: Legislative proposals for the 2027 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) aim to shift funding out of standard foreign aid channels. Instead, provisions like Section 224 seek to integrate U.S. and Israeli defense supply chains through Pentagon procurement, joint artificial intelligence ventures, and co-production deals. This defense-sharing framework bypasses traditional foreign assistance laws altogether, cementing the funding under joint national security interests rather than standard aid programs.

This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 12:32 am
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
47188 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:31 am to
Your own answer is exactly what he's saying. We have to pretend Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons because it's illegal to give them aid if we recognize them.
Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1192 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:33 am to
Exactly! A+
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16619 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:35 am to
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it's illegal to give them aid if we recognize them.


Not absolutely. Obviously lawyers for ragheads have argued this and lost.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23681 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 12:37 am to
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Then let then finishing it. Ben, Lindsey and screaming mark can lead the charge

Problem is that doesn’t open the strait of Hormuz and absent that the energy markets can’t stabilize.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
7058 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 2:04 am to
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I'm good with it.


Then go fight for it.
Posted by JoeyP239
Member since Nov 2025
1464 posts
Posted on 6/8/26 at 2:12 am to
Trump will just call it a love tap and claim a deal is happening soon. He’s completely clueless.

I wish BiBi was the POTUS. If he was this war would have been over 2 months ago.
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