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re: Neil Gorsuch’s former law clerk says Trump has constitutional authority to declassify
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:32 pm to BBONDS25
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:32 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
list the 5 lies
"We never received a copy of the search warrant"
"The search warrant was not valid"
"There's nothing there"
"There's nothing classified there"
"The evidence was planted"
etc, etc, etc
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the criminal actions.
Contained in the warrant.
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Do you think that while he was President he was not allowed to have classified docs at MAL?
Do you think private citizens should have classified documents at their beach houses?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:48 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
We never received a copy of the search warrant" "The search warrant was not valid" "There's nothing there" "There's nothing classified there" "The evidence was planted"
These are all either true, exaggerations, misquotes or not from trumps team . Stop believing what you read on Twitter.
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Contained in the warrant.
So guilty until proven innocent.
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Do you think private citizens should have classified documents at their beach houses?
It is a former President if the United State’s personal residence. And the answer is…
Depends.
1) did this happen?
2) what are the documents, specifically
3). Is this a common issue with transfer of an administration
4) if there was a mistake, who made it
5) what are the least invasive ways to go about correcting the error.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:50 pm to BamaAtl
Who are the multiple people you claim died during the Jan 6 riot?
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:50 pm to AirbusDawg
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Well shite, if a former law clerk says it, then who could doubt them?
Well shite, an anonymous poster shows his insecurity.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:52 pm to AggieHank86
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Now, explain how a SCOTUS law clerk would have personal knowledge as to whether a POTUS did or did not declassify a given document or group of documents. Because that is the point from the OP which was challenged.
Nice try. I don't have to prove it. Neither does Gorsuch nor his clerk. Neither does Donald Trump. Trump is innocent until proven guilty. This is not the court of Eric Swalwell and some aging boomers that think Trump should go to jail for hurting their feelings.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:55 pm to BamaAtl
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Do you think a private citizen has a say in what's classified currently?
If his standing order was once removed it's declassified than it happened while he was still in office. Where did all the Bill Blue Dogs go that should be outraged at this overreach of power?
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 1:02 pm to AggieHank86
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Otto?
Shows the length of time Hank's been around with his "straight down the middle" troll
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:12 pm to UpToPar
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Have you seen the affidavit? Because in all likelihood, the NYT article is heavily editorializing the statements made in the affidavit. Keep in mind, there were several subpoenas and several batches of documents in response to those subpoenas turned over to the feds around this time. I'm willing to bet the subpoenas asked for certain documents and Trump's attorney signed an affidavit stating that all classified documents requested had been turned over. The NYT likely took this out of context and ran with it.
Of course I haven't seen the affidavit.
It is not worth arguing over. Either the affidavit states what the NY Times claims, in which case someone is going to prison, or it doesn't.
We'll get our answer soon enough.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:19 pm to AggieHank86
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All we have is claims by some of his staff that he had a "standing order" that anything he carried from the office suite section of the White House to the private residence section of the White House was AUTOMATICALLY "declassified" by virtue of Trump changing its physical location.
Think about the consequences of this. In ten years some government contractor is caught with classified documents in his home. His defense is that Trump at one point carried that document to his private residence within the White House.
Since there is no requirement to catalogue declassifications, there is no way to prove that Trump did not in fact do it.
Reasonable doubt which could be used by anyone who is caught with classified material that existed prior to Trump leaving office.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:31 pm to BBONDS25
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Well because the document in the article you linked did not in any way support this:
I can't view the NY Times article anymore as the normal tricks of incognito mode and deleting cookies are not working. I think it is because they've tied it to my Google credentials.
Are you claiming the actual affidavit is in that article and it does not match the description of it in the article? I did not see it but could have missed it as I was skimming it to find the parts I needed.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:42 pm to AggieHank86
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But seriously, the FOIA request would be going to the current administration, and they will deny that any such policy was ever implemented and that any such documents remain classified.
Of course they will. Then litigate it in the courts. Make the courts live with the consequences of deciding that Trump's vague declassification policy is in fact legal. And make the Trump supporters deal with the fallout of such irresponsible declassifications.
I've been pushing for the FOIA request for several days.
There are a couple of caveats that would make this fail though. One is that FOIA requests have to be pretty targeted from what I've been told. The second it that classification status might not be the only justification for legally withholding documents from an FOIA request.
But it is worth a shot.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:43 pm to AggieHank86
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No, it lacks the specificity required for a valid FOIA request, and it is utterly impractical for the reasons outlined above, but it IS a funny idea.
Beat me to it.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:44 pm to ChapelHillSooner
If Hank ever beats you to a point, there’s a decent chance you have Downs.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:45 pm to AggieHank86
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If this business about a "standing order" is to be believed, Trump would have "automatically" declassified every document that he carried to the private dining room to read during lunch.
Good one. He's not reading documents while having his steak with ketchup.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:46 pm to BamaAtl
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"We never received a copy of the search warrant"
"The search warrant was not valid"
"There's nothing there"
"There's nothing classified there"
"The evidence was planted"
You forgot, "I declassified the documents in January of 2021 that they planted last week."
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:47 pm to ChapelHillSooner
Wager on conviction?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 4:55 pm to the808bass
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If Hank ever beats you to a point, there’s a decent chance you have Downs.
First, it is rude to use language like that. You can say what you want about me but let's leave people with developmental disabilities out of it. Anyway from every interaction I have had with you, you are a rude and disgusting person so your response is par for the course.
As for Hank beating me to the punch, I've been working. I respond to posts as I read them. But by all means keep thinking you are a witty person.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 5:15 pm to ChapelHillSooner
quote:He is one of about a dozen posters who was entirely tolerable (and sometimes enjoyable) until about 4-5 years ago.
from every interaction I have had with you, you are a rude and disgusting person so your response is par for the course.
For some reason, a handful of regular posters just started losing their collective mind at about the same time.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 5:28 pm to ChapelHillSooner
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Are you claiming the actual affidavit is in that article and it does not match the description of it in the article? I did not see it but could have missed it as I was skimming it to find the parts I needed.
There was a picture in the article which focused on an inventory list. One entry on that list was “some top secret documents”. No clue if that is an attachment to an affidavit, but it’s the picture in the article.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 5:28 pm to AggieHank86
I’m still winsome and delightful. Everyone is just tired of your bullshite.
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