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re: Neil Gorsuch’s former law clerk says Trump has constitutional authority to declassify
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:16 pm to Bard
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:16 pm to Bard
Otto just makes stuff up. Engaging him will just be frustrating unless you realize he is just an old crazy man yelling at clouds. Then it’s funny.
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Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:17 pm to FlexDawg
quote:GENERALLY correct
Neil Gorsuch’s former law clerk says Trump has constitutional authority to declassify anything he wants
quote:And how would this kid know whether Trump did this? I rather doubt that he has any personal knowledge.
Neil Gorsuch’s former law clerk says … that everything in Trumps possession was declassified
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:18 pm to Bard
yeah sure. your example case is about a sitting presiden and one issue.
he had to notify about each document. 11 boxes.
every agency every department.
while president. he did nothing about any of it. ever.
he had to notify about each document. 11 boxes.
every agency every department.
while president. he did nothing about any of it. ever.
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:19 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
And how would this kid know whether Trump did this? I rather doubt that he has any personal knowledge.
You give the fbi the benefit of the doubt without any direct knowledge, but not trump. Interesting.
Who did you believe about the passports?
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:19 pm to CelticDog
quote:
he had to notify about each document. every agency every department. while president. he did nothing about any of it.
You have zero clue if this is true. You are a known liar and propagandist.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:20 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Please expound. I’m not sure what you are talking about.
You give the fbi the benefit of the doubt without any direct knowledge, but not trump.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:21 pm to BBONDS25
I'm certain.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:23 pm to BBONDS25
quote:I had no opinion.
Who did you believe about the passports?
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:24 pm to CelticDog
quote:
I'm certain.
That doesn’t mean much. Your predictions are wrong 100 percent of the time.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:25 pm to AirbusDawg
quote:
Well shite, if a former law clerk says it, then who could doubt them?
But a convicted felon like Avenatti or Cohen says something about Trump and you buy it hook, line and sinker.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:31 pm to FlexDawg
quote:This is Watergate but they did it on live TV in broad daylight.
they know they're caught doing a political hit job on their boss's political enemy
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:35 pm to Ross
quote:I do not think that the question in the minds of most people is whether the president CAN (in most cases) declassify a document. Clearly, the answer to this question is USUALLY “yes.”
anyone with a cleared job would tell you as part of your training you learn the president is the ultimate classification authority. Don’t know what’s controversial.
The question in MY mind is whether Trump actually DID declassify sll these documents. As with most things, I tend to look at this from a legalistic perspective.
If a document is marked “Classified,” that designation creates a presumption that the document remains classified, absent proof that it has been “declassified.”
Obviously, the best such evidence is a memorandum prepared before the Inauguration and maintained in the official record. Trump does not HAVE any such memoranda (except as to one folder of Crossfire Hurricane documents).
Apparently, Trump is claiming that he declassified all of these OTHER documents, but just didn’t tell anyone or maintain any written record of his actions. Perhaps that will meet the burden of overcoming the presumption.
Perhaps not.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:36 pm to CelticDog
quote:
I'm certain.
You are certainly wrong.
Just let it go. The president doesn't have to tell anyone or ask permission to declassify anything.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:39 pm to BBONDS25
I've noticed that instead of providing information you ONLY use name calling.
all your retorts amount to nothing.
in future give examples, proof and logic.
lets see you do district of Columbia manslaughter as it would be my go to case if I were ordering Georgia feds and d.c.
there are several.
one would necessarily include the required additional crime.
187 MINUTES.
HE KNEW THE CROWD HAD WEAPONS. HE ORDERED THE ATTACK. WHILE THE MURDERS HAPPENED HE WATCHED ON TV.
HE ALLOWED THE RIOT TO PROCEED, PERHAPS TO CUT OFF THE COUNT.
THATS THE CASE.
PLUS ANY ONE OTHER CRIME. ILL GO WITH INCITING RIOT.
THERES SURE TO BE SOME D.C. way of addressing incitement.
ENJOY.
all your retorts amount to nothing.
in future give examples, proof and logic.
lets see you do district of Columbia manslaughter as it would be my go to case if I were ordering Georgia feds and d.c.
there are several.
one would necessarily include the required additional crime.
187 MINUTES.
HE KNEW THE CROWD HAD WEAPONS. HE ORDERED THE ATTACK. WHILE THE MURDERS HAPPENED HE WATCHED ON TV.
HE ALLOWED THE RIOT TO PROCEED, PERHAPS TO CUT OFF THE COUNT.
THATS THE CASE.
PLUS ANY ONE OTHER CRIME. ILL GO WITH INCITING RIOT.
THERES SURE TO BE SOME D.C. way of addressing incitement.
ENJOY.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:40 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
The question in MY mind is whether Trump actually DID declassify sll these documents. As with most things, I tend to look at this from a legalistic perspective.
If a document is marked “Classified,” that designation creates a presumption that the document remains classified, absent proof that it has been “declassified.”
If he took it to MAR while president, it is deemed declassified.
quote:
“Mr. Trump had a ‘standing order’ during his presidency that ‘documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them.’”
https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1558662764335439872
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:45 pm to CelticDog
quote:
CelticDog
Show me the law you are basing your statement on about a sitting President not having the authority to declassify anything they want.
Unless, of course, you can't find such a law because it doesn't exist and you're simply attempting to wishcast it into existence...
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:49 pm to loogaroo
quote:While the validity of such a “standing order“ is apparently open to question, let’s assume that that it would indeed be valid.
Mr. Trump had a ‘standing order’ during his presidency that ‘documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them
Again, where is the documentation of this “standing order?”
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:56 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Again, where is the documentation of this “standing order?”
His constitutional authority. He doesn't need to document anything.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:56 pm to CelticDog
quote:
lets see you do district of Columbia manslaughter as it would be my go to case if I were ordering Georgia feds and d.c.
Ive done it in several threads now. You ALWAYS disappear.
quote:
THE ATTACK. WHILE THE MURDERS HAPPENED HE WATCHED ON TV.
The only person that died that day was killed by capitol police. This is why I always call you out on your lies. Because they are flat out lies
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 9:21 pm to CelticDog
quote:
CelticDog
Reading this melt be like
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