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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:05 pm to Revelator
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:05 pm to Revelator
Laws have been about the orderly functioning of society.
It's possible the religious leanings of a monarch have dictated laws throughout history, but we've long since evolved from that in the Western world.
I'm not gay, so I wouldn't necessarily say I 'favor' the practice of homosexuality. I'm just generally for freedom and personal autonomy and allowing consenting adults to love and have sex with one another if that is what they both want to do.
It's possible the religious leanings of a monarch have dictated laws throughout history, but we've long since evolved from that in the Western world.
I'm not gay, so I wouldn't necessarily say I 'favor' the practice of homosexuality. I'm just generally for freedom and personal autonomy and allowing consenting adults to love and have sex with one another if that is what they both want to do.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 11:08 pm
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:07 pm to Crimson1st
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Indeed...you said right off that those who disagreed with evolution were ignorant and idiots so no, you wouldn't believe me either, regardless of my credentials.
My point was that nobody with the biological qualifications to intelligently outright dispute evolution occurs would ever actually do so, precisely because the science is so conclusive.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:09 pm to ApexTiger
quote:I've actually read every last word of the Bible which likely places me in the top 10% of all believers(despite not being on myself).
I am not going quote it because you won't read it anyways.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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No it isn't, there are numerous examples of laws which involve morally neutral actions. Seatbelt laws would be a common example. Others would be laws requiring people to be a specific age to participate in certain activities (such as driving and smoking), numerous property and tax laws, etc.
I didn't say all laws were rooted in morality, some are rooted in safety. But to deny that many laws have a moral component is simply ignoring the issue.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:12 pm to ShortyRob
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I've actually read every last word of the Bible which likely places me in the top 10% of all believers(despite not being on myself).
This is something that always makes these topics tiresome for me, being lectured on a book I've read cover to cover more times than the vast majority of those who currently believe in it.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
Yeah. But you're tiresome, too. So the universe balances itself out once again.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:15 pm to Revelator
quote:Frankly, any law rooted in morality which uses one person's morality to take away the freedom of a person who doesn't share that morality is wholly unethical. The only exceptions to this doctrine should be when the act in question is perpetrated by one person upon another unwilling person. When the act is merely the expression of one's personal freedom either alone or with another person sharing that moral view, then freedom should be the paramount value.
I didn't say all laws were rooted in morality, some are rooted in safety. But to deny that many laws have a moral component is simply ignoring the issue.
I say this as someone who does NOT actually support homosexual behavior. I merely allow for the freedom for it to exist for those who want to do it.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:16 pm to Revelator
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But to deny that many laws have a moral component is simply ignoring the issue.
But even laws with a moral component are only made into law because the actions they prohibit cause a perceived societal harm. There nearly endless numbers of things that are widely considered immoral but are not illegal.
I would guess that you and millions of others find strip clubs to be immoral establishments, yet few would argue they should be illegal. The level of perceived harm done to society is what dictates this, not whether or not the activity itself is seen as immoral
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:17 pm to boosiebadazz
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I'm not gay, so I wouldn't necessarily say I 'favor' the practice of homosexuality
This is what I don't get.
The gay hating bigots for some reason thing that other people's love lives are their business.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:17 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:I'm sort of the odd guy. Reading the Bible made me an atheist.
This is something that always makes these topics tiresome for me, being lectured on a book I've read cover to cover more times than the vast majority of those who currently believe in it.
Well, that's probably a share unfair. But, I was of the mind that I'd grown up "believing" in this thing my whole life without actually reading it. Then, I read it thinking "if I'm going to believe, I should actually know what I believe". When I finished, I was like, "bull shite".
That killed my view of the Bible and all religions that sprouted from it. The atheism came later.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:18 pm to the808bass
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Yeah. But you're tiresome, too. So the universe balances itself out once again.
I'm all about that reciprocation
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:18 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I'm not gay, so I wouldn't necessarily say I 'favor' the practice of homosexuality
This is what I don't get.
The gay hating bigots for some reason thing that other people's love lives are their business.
How in the blue frick did you get that from his quote. Any intelligent person would see that he meant that he didn't have any personal reason to favor a behavior in which he doesn't engage.
Have another downvote.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I would guess that you and millions of others find strip clubs to be immoral establishments, yet few would argue they should be illegal
"Few" is probably being kind. A majority? No. But the number who would make those things illegal is not an insignificant number. Sad, to be true, but, it is what it is.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:22 pm to ShortyRob
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I'm sort of the odd guy. Reading the Bible made me an atheist.
Well, that's probably a share unfair. But, I was of the mind that I'd grown up "believing" in this thing my whole life without actually reading it. Then, I read it thinking "if I'm going to believe, I should actually know what I believe". When I finished, I was like, "bull shite".
That killed my view of the Bible and all religions that sprouted from it. The atheism came later.
The Bible wasn't what lead me away from belief, hell I read it cover to cover on three separate occasions before I even went off to college and only questioned things about it in passing if at all.
The inaccuracies and lack of external verification ended up being only small parts of my loss of belief. The logical inconsistencies and philosophical dilemmas created by my belief played a much bigger role. I came to be unable to reconcile my beliefs about God with what I experienced and knew to be true about the reality I lived in. I realized I had to pick one or the other, because they were simply incompatible.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
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My point was that nobody with the biological qualifications to intelligently outright dispute evolution occurs would ever actually do so, precisely because the science is so conclusive.
I understand your point but it simply isn't true...
LINK
This is one of reams of articles which have well qualified scientists who dispute evolution.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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How in the blue frick did you get that from his quote. Any intelligent person would see that he meant that he didn't have any personal reason to favor a behavior in which he doesn't engage.
Have another downvote.
This, tuba is just trolling again
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
I swear, every time I think it's been a good day, I make the mistake of coming downstairs to this board and catch TUba acting a plumb fool
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:These were HUGE for me. Bottom line. As I read, I came to view this God I was reading about as one hideously awful being that if he actually existed, was ONLY worth of worship out of pure fear.
The logical inconsistencies and philosophical dilemmas created
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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This is something that always makes these topics tiresome for me, being lectured on a book I've read cover to cover more times than the vast majority of those who currently believe in it.
So, what'd you think about the Author?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'm all about that reciprocation
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