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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:I know exactly what his ulterior motive is. He knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on if he actually attempts to meet his burden of proof, which is why he's circling around and trying to push the burden of me.
I would assume he is asserting that evolution is guided by God and in thus a concious process, which is an unfalsifiable claim. It he wants to believe then I say be happy about it, it would be a great day if every christian believed that.
There are enough crazies who deny evolution that those who accept the science are a blessing.
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:23 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:I hazard to guess what is actually in your hand.
That's a lot of words to tell me I can't prove this rock in my hand isn't conscious.
Sorry, but you will find this discussion returning again to the central premise of your unprovable assertion.......
quote:
Natural selection is an unconscious proces
Prove it!
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:24 pm to NC_Tigah
You accepted the burden of proof when you said it was demonstrably false. Demonstrate it bro.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:25 pm to NC_Tigah
where did the whole gay is wrong idea come from exactly? (I know it is in the Bible, but which book is it in)
If God created all of the life on earth, then why do some species of mammals (dolphins and a few other I can't think of at the moment) have homosexual tendencies?
If God created all of the life on earth, then why do some species of mammals (dolphins and a few other I can't think of at the moment) have homosexual tendencies?
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:You'd do better not assuming.
I would assume he is asserting
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:27 pm to NC_Tigah
Well, is that not your position?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:27 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Assertion that Natural Selection is not nature's predisposition is demonstrably false.
If you're saying that natural selection is the innate, and for lack of a better word "natural," state of nature then that's fine. I.E. that's just the natural order of things.
I took your statement to mean, and perhaps you weren't trying to imply this, that there is some kind of conscious force behind natural selection. But I've only skimmed this thread so maybe I misread you or this is just a semantics issue.
Why are you surprised I'd jump in?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:28 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:Natural selection is demonstrable. Welcome to the 19th century.
You accepted the burden of proof when you said it was demonstrably false. Demonstrate it bro
Now . . . AGAIN . . . prove it is "unconscious"!
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
Of course it is, but NC_Tigah is not really interested in defining his position in any way that could hazard a rebuttal. Dude is terrified of having to author a substantial argument.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
Seriously.
Who cares what the bible says?
Is there a Jesus tax?
Bc outside of that, it's not financially reasonable that two straight people can get married and pay less while two gay people are penalized.
That's the bottom line.
Who cares what the bible says?
Is there a Jesus tax?
Bc outside of that, it's not financially reasonable that two straight people can get married and pay less while two gay people are penalized.
That's the bottom line.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
Homosexuals, like Africans, were very promiscuous and went from partner to partner.
So promiscuity / perverted sex ( sex outside of marriage ) is/was the cause for AIDS.
So promiscuity / perverted sex ( sex outside of marriage ) is/was the cause for AIDS.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:30 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Demonstrate it bro
Actually that is demonstrably false.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:31 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Natural selection is an unconscious procesquote:
Prove it!
There's no burden to prove it as there is no evidence to suggest a conscious force behind natural selection. But if that position is demonstrably false, then what is your proof for that statement?
I'm guessing you're implying that one should accept the possibility of theistic evolution, but again, the burden of proof does not lie with us.
Out of curiosity, is there a conscious force behind weather as well?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:33 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:Dude, my argument is that it's unprovable either way.
Dude is terrified of having to author a substantial argument.
Either it is or it isn't. I am telling you it is unprovable. Prove me wrong.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:36 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:
Homosexuals, like Africans, were very promiscuous and went from partner to partner.
So promiscuity / perverted sex ( sex outside of marriage ) is/was the cause for AIDS.
The cause of HIV making the jump to humans was the west African bushmeat industry. The propogation of HIV is the result of unprotected polygamous sexual practices. Even with multiple partners though, your risk of getting HIV is very low if you simply always use a condom.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:37 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Dude, my argument is that it's unprovable either way.
Either it is or it isn't. I am telling you it is unprovable. Prove me wrong.
But when someone stated that nature has no consciousness nor intentions, you replied:
quote:
Actually that is demonstrably false.
That doesn't seem like a neutral position to me.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:40 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:So if it's unprovable that natural selection is conscious, then why do you believe it?
Dude, my argument is that it's unprovable either way.
Either it is or it isn't. I am telling you it is unprovable. Prove me wrong.
Consciousness requires awareness of surroundings and of self. You are claiming that natural selection has awareness, the ability to sense, the ability to think, and some goal in mind. In order for your position to be true, natural selection has to have all of these extra qualities. What is your evidence for that?
I don't need any evidence for my position. I'm not adding any properties to natural selection. It's simply a process where genes that grant organisms a higher likelihood to reproduce are more likely to proliferate to later generations. That's it. Like you said, this part is demonstrable. You already believe what I believe.
You're the one adding claims to what is commonly accepted about natural selection. The burden of proof is on you. Good luck with that.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:41 pm to Tom288
quote:There is always burden when positive assertion is made. In this case it was.
There's no burden to prove it
"Natural selection is an unconscious process."
That is not a statement you'd have made on you own.
I suspect, had you recognized its indefensibility, it is not a statement you would have tried to address.
Yet here you are
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:45 pm to Darth_Vader
Holy shite. Equating pedos to homos is pretty fricking stupid.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:46 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:I have not taken that position.
So if it's unprovable that natural selection is conscious, then why do you believe it?
ONCE
AGAIN . . . .
You claim natural selection s unconscious. . . . .
Prove it.
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