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re: Nebraska: Women overwhelmed with joy and in tears, after abortion ban bill fails
Posted on 5/1/23 at 10:19 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 5/1/23 at 10:19 pm to AggieHank86
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say, 20 weeks), the Right would NEVER have stopped trying to revoke or amend it.
That may be true - but look at the two sides = there could have been a few people who continued to raise the moral issue of any abortion at all, but they would have been in the very small minority and hold no sway at all.
In stark contrast to the DEM response to their far left cult - they are really no more convinced of the practicality or necessity of post-birth intentional killing of an infant 'if that is what the mother wanted' - but they would conflate that situation as being the same as a 14 yr old girl raped by her drunken uncle as "the republicans want to ban all abortions - just look at poor Wendy."
The two sides are fundamentally playing on different moral fields. Democrats' primary feature is remorseless hypocrisy - while the conservative side is overwhelmingly cooperative and respond do rational arguments, rarely mischaraterizing the their true intent.
There will always be zealots. Only one side encourages the zealots and take up their 'cause' - in fact they purposefully distort EVERY issue just to rile up the far-left zealots.
There is all the difference in the world between the two camps.
But you know that - why do you pretend that the two sides are equally rational? or insist that the two sides are equally radical??
You know that is not correct.
edit - Just look at how they handle present the "banning books" issue.
They CLAIM that conservatives want to ban books about Roberto Clemente - when what we really object to are books in 3rd grade libraries showed boys sucking each others dicks.
DEMs are the same on EVERY issue - they are not honest on ONE issue
CHALLENGE - name ONE issue that DEMs are even close to honest about.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 10:23 pm
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Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:01 pm to AggieHank86
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Why are so many of you people incapable of having a civil discussion? It is bizarre.
To be fair, you demand civil conversation while advocating for killing babies.
The people you are talking to are in good faith arguing against killing babies. You demanding civil conversation seems silly considering your position is in favor of killing babies.
From a medical position, there is no argument that you aren’t arguing about killing babies.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:32 pm to AggieHank86
It's because they are stupid and proud of it.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:34 pm to TGFN57
Says the uneducated simpleton.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 6:55 am to TGFN57
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It's because they are stupid and proud of it.
Please explain. Outside of the extremely rare occurrence of times in which the baby in the womb is going to harm the mother, why is killing the baby the answer? With the huge amounts of resources that are readily available, why is killing the baby the answer?
Posted on 5/2/23 at 6:56 am to AggieHank86
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Why are so many of you people incapable of having a civil discussion? It is bizarre.
Go back, read your posts throughout this thread, tell me you don’t come off as pure evil when discussing this topic.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 7:51 am to AggieHank86
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Why are so many of you people incapable of having a civil discussion? It is bizarre.
Why can't have a civil conversation about genocide? Is it really surprising to you that murdering babies might rub people the wrong way?
Posted on 5/2/23 at 8:08 pm to DavidTheGnome
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That's not my argument
It sure came across like it was. Read your post again. I must have been mistaken and punched back too hard. That being the case, I apologize.
Don’t hang your hat on the fact you “recognize” abortion is “necessary”. It’s beneath you. Abortion is very rarely ever “necessary”. It really is a personal choice, most often made under duress and/or for someone’s personal convenience. Necessary isn’t a justification for organized child sacrifice, It’s a feeble excuse.
quote:We certainly agree on that.
Like I said earlier it's as if the compassion ends once the baby is born.
When we were much younger on the pro-life front lines we paid taxes and tried to help girls and their babies rescued from the abortion mills. We got some of them out of tough situations into better ones. You do the best you can, but you know you’re gonna lose way too many to the butchers.
And no one ever wants to talk about the physical, mental, and spiritual wounds inflicted on a mother who chooses to kill her child. Short term or long, they’re quite real, often horrendous, and always heartbreaking.
Equally heartbreaking, if not more so, there are a small number of Christians who show little compassion or forgiveness to women who have had abortions.
Women exploited by Planned Parenthood, their ilk, and minions for profit and to further the anti-life agenda, reach out to Christ in the person of a Christian and are sometimes shunned.
Instead of love, mercy, forgiveness, and understanding they receive self-righteous judgment. (He or she who is without sin, cast the first stone, right?) Or, alternatively, they treat the woman as a second class Christian-if she is already a Christian-or if she converts and becomes a Christian.
No bueno.
Even Job’s buddies sat in the dung heap with him while he scraped his boils with clay pot shards.
Lengthy rant concluded.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:13 am to grizzlylongcut
quote:There is nothing remotely “evil” about examining the philosophical question of “What trait should entitle an organism to legal rights.”
Go back, read your posts throughout this thread, tell me you don’t come off as pure evil when discussing this topic.
To see the matter otherwise is emotional and frankly childish.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 7:15 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:16 am to Mr. Misanthrope
quote:True, but it is her decision, and it is not the role of government to protect us from ourselves. Any other view is paternalistic in the extreme.
no one ever wants to talk about the physical, mental, and spiritual wounds inflicted on a mother who chooses to kill her child. Short term or long, they’re quite real, often horrendous, and always heartbreaking.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:30 am to BBONDS25
quote:And the people in question are advocating that we should strip the legal right of self determination from a sapient being, in favor of the theoretical rights of an organism that I do not believe has yet developed to the point of being entitled to similar rights.
Why are so many of you people incapable of having a civil discussion? It is bizarre.quote:
To be fair, you demand civil conversation while advocating for killing babies.
The people you are talking to are in good faith arguing against killing babies. You demanding civil conversation seems silly considering your position is in favor of killing babies.
Yet you do not see me calling those people “evil.“. Because I am not an emotional child.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 7:38 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 8:23 am to AggieHank86
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Yet you do not see me calling those people “evil.“. Because I am not an emotional child.
Only one side is evil because only one side supports killing babies by the millions. If killing babies isn't evil can you tell me what is?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 9:41 am to Schleynole
quote:You start from the premise that "abortion" equals "killing babies," and you refuse to even analyze whether your premise holds water.
Yet you do not see me calling those people “evil.“. Because I am not an emotional child.quote:
Only one side is evil because only one side supports killing babies by the millions. If killing babies isn't evil can you tell me what is?
That may not be "evil," but it is facile in the extreme.
And using the term "evil" to describe anyone willing to examine the validity of the underlying premise? That is childish.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 9:46 am to AggieHank86
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You start from the premise that "abortion" equals "killing babies,"
100%
Most people do. Some just find it acceptable. What do women call the child during pregnancy?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 10:04 am to AggieHank86
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You start from the premise that "abortion" equals "killing babies
That's exactly what it is. It's killing babies and it's evil. I don't care for the word salad to justify the murdering of innocent babies either. You're no different than the nazis.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 10:19 am to burger bearcat
Killing babies is so much easier than taking responsibility for your actions or for contraception in advance.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 10:40 am to AggieHank86
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You start from the premise that "abortion" equals "killing babies," and you refuse to even analyze whether your premise holds water.
I realize based on your comments that you have probably given your criteria earlier in the thread. I'm interested in what you have to say because I disagree with you, yet you seem willing to have calm and thoughtful discussion on the topic.
So I am wondering if you would be willing to (most likely) reiterate what you feel is the necessary criteria for protecting the life of an unborn human (or whatever term you desire to use right now) that you feel is not currently sufficient to do so.
I apologize, but am not sure I have the time to sift through 15 plus pages to find that criteria assuming you have given it earlier.
Thanks.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 10:46 am to AggieHank86
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his post perfectly demonstrates that your understanding of history is… limited.
Throughout history, chattel slavery has very seldom been race-based. It was simply a matter of the strong enslaving the weak. Not because they thought the weak were less than human, but because they needed the labor and they had the power to do so.
While this may be true of world history it's not true of slavery in American history and it's also not enough to invalidate the point. It's basically just a nod to the incomplete evolution of empathy...at one point no one felt it necessary to justify enslavement or oppression of others; they just did it unapologetically. At some point empathy was developed enough that in order to oppress or mistreat a justification was required and we see African people classified as subhuman in order to provide that justification, along with Jews, gays, gypsies, etc. in Nazi Germany, enemies in war identified by racial/ethnic slurs, etc., etc.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:40 am to AggieHank86
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True, but it is her decision, and it is not the role of government to protect us from ourselves. Any other view is paternalistic in the extreme.
At a bare minimum, it’s my job to offer, by whatever means at my disposal, protection from anti-life propaganda and rhetorical legerdemain that lies to these women telling them they’re not killing their own babies in their womb, they’re only removing non-sapient tissue that only has the “potential” to become a human infant.
Perhaps it is, in fact, the government’s duty to paternalistically cut through the disingenuous marketing and justification of abortion and demand Planned Parenthood and their minions and lackeys offer full disclosure on exactly what is being done to the life in their wombs so their “choice” is really an informed one. Description of particular methods employed with graphic photographs of the the end results-not leaving out how unceremoniously the bodies are treated afterward. Potential psychological and physical risks associated with the procedures.
Kind of like labeling cigarette packaging but with more details due to the solemn nature of ending life.
I remember C.S. Lewis pointing out in one of his books that an angel’s fall or a man’s fall was in a direct proportion to the being’s talent and greatness.
The greater the angel the more evil a devil it became. And the same for fallen men.
I suppose reading your reasoned and literate responses on this topic brought that to my remembrance. Truly heartbreaking to see in one who once claimed Jesus as LORD.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 12:21 pm to AggieHank86
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And the people in question are advocating that we should strip the legal right of self determination from a sapient being
Should we allow murderers and rapists to do their thing too?
Your intellectual limits are apparently stopping you from understanding that a fetus is a live human too. Either all human life is sacred or none of it is.
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