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re: Navy officer applies to become the first ever woman to join the elite SEALs
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:14 am to Argonaut
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:14 am to Argonaut
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I'm not the one that continues to bring it up. If the point is made, it will be addressed.
Lol. What? The point has been made. ShortyRob was the most recent to do so.
The problem is that your response is "we waste money on other things, so it's OK to waste money on this." That's not a rebuttal. It's an admission that you don't have a good response, and so you're changing the topic.
If you can't honestly argue your position, than it's not worth discussing the topic with you.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 9:16 am
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:14 am to StraightCashHomey21
I think both of you are little bitches who should STFU.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:15 am to Argonaut
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I don't give a frick about that. We pay personal trainers to try to keep fat people in that can't maintain standards on their own, and a lot of them are still separated. These are both weak points.
It's weak to talk about the fact that the military needs a particular job done and this makes it roughly six times harder to get done?
Yeah. That's a "weak" argument.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:20 am to Argonaut
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See, these statements are what I've been talking about. You've admitted that you aren't on a team.
Well when 100s of guys who used to be on them say its a bad idea, including friends of mine. Ill take their word over some chick.
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That's complete bullshite. Personal trainers are staffed at the base gym and are free to anyone with access. The heavies can use them, dependents can use them, retirees can use them, etc. Hell, the fat kid programs at a lot of units require their people to use them.
Reading comprehension sure isn't your strong point is it.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:22 am to ShortyRob
she/he/it is a female squid.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:31 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:Haha will not go well.
Never happen. The SEALs and Delta will know the trannies are coming next.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:31 am to Argonaut
are you the one eye one eye one eye love?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:32 am to Lsuchs
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They always do for smaller guys who struggle
I do not see how it is possible.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:38 am to cajunangelle
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Could these women, if, let's say they are Navy Divers, or EOD make it through?
No, they would not be able to continue using steroids during training. Every single woman you posted is using anavar at a minimum. Large traps and popped shoulders on women are not natural and no amount of weight lifting will ever develop them without steroids.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:50 am to Vander
quote:Add what you just said to the following and it is a lost cause social experiment. I agree. Here is my reply after those pictures of the women.
No, they would not be able to continue using steroids during training. Every single woman you posted is using anavar at a minimum. Large traps and popped shoulders on women are not natural and no amount of weight lifting will ever develop them without steroids.
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I just posted women in superb physical shape. But even if a woman was in superb physical shape, is currently AD and let's say a Navy Diver or EOD already, and could physically carry a man...
This factor is the undoing of it all.
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There are studies with data showing mixed units cause unit cohesion to deteriorate.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:03 am to ShortyRob
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If they continue to accept women candidates, they already know they are going to end up with fewer Rangers, Seals whatever on the other side of the course. They KNOW this. It is an unassailable certainty. And, it's not like the rate will be a little smaller. It will be a LOT smaller.
This is not true. It makes no difference looking at the numbers whether it's a weak male or a weak female that fails.
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They'll lower standards just so they can get enough graduates.
That isn't how selection works.
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Then don't worry about the standards because I just explained to you why they MUST go down over the long haul because of this.
I am concerned about the standards. These are what matter most in this discussion.
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It's the only issue because it's the only one that is 100% unassailable fact.
Most of the posters in this thread have stated otherwise with their own versions of "100% unassailable facts." Yours are no different.
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We hold them so we can field rangers/seals/whatever.
We do them so we can fill those positions with the best people for the job. Everything else is background noise.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:06 am to UGATiger26
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he problem is that your response is "we waste money on other things, so it's OK to waste money on this."
That isn't my response. My response is that if you see this as a waste of money that we should go to bat to prevent, why not the same fervor on anything else? It's because you don't really care about wasting money.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:07 am to ShortyRob
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It's weak to talk about the fact that the military needs a particular job done and this makes it roughly six times harder to get done?
Yeah. That's a "weak" argument.
That wasn't the point made.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Well when 100s of guys who used to be on them say its a bad idea, including friends of mine. Ill take their word over some chick.
I always love it when someones starts with "I know a guy who did this, so...."
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Reading comprehension sure isn't your strong point is it.
Don't be pissed because you got caught talking out of your arse...again.
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services
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DoD
Lol.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:17 am to Argonaut
quote:What the frick are you talking about? It's unassailably true.
This is not true. It makes no difference looking at the numbers whether it's a weak male or a weak female that fails.
quote:Hey sissy. You're not the only one who has been in the military. Save your BS for someone that doesn't know better. I wasn't talking about selection. I was talking about the course.
That isn't how selection works.
quote:No you aren't. You say you are, but, you're not concerned enough to recognize the obvious regarding male and female performance capabilities.
I am concerned about the standards. These are what matter most in this discussion.
quote:Most of the posters are discussion things that are emotion based.
Most of the posters in this thread have stated otherwise
quote:Um. Male to female performance differences aren't some vacuous "opinion".
with their own versions of "100% unassailable facts." Yours are no different.
They are stone cold rock sold unassailable fact. Which, of course, is why you haven't even tried to address them. Because you know they're true.
quote:Exactly. So WE CAN FILL THOSE POSITIONS.
We do them so we can fill those positions with the best people for the job.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:19 am to Argonaut
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That isn't my response. My response is that if you see this as a waste of money that we should go to bat to prevent, why not the same fervor on anything else? It's because you don't really care about wasting money.
No.
Also. It's not just money.
I mean. We could probably get some percentage of people who are 25 pounds overweight to eventually pass Seal Training too. I mean, it would take running courses 24/7, specialized trainers, additional trainers, more training facilities etc etc etc. But, we could do it!!
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:20 am to Argonaut
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I always love it when someones starts with "I know a guy who did this, so...."
Well for the fact I've been through a selection course and made it. I just got injured later on in training.
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Don't be pissed because you got caught talking out of your arse...again.
You are the only liar in here.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:20 am to ShortyRob
I rest my case though.
The best Argonot has in response to the obvious truth that women will pass at a SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER RATE thus requiring MORE training slots to get the required number is to say.........."well, you guys don't REALLY care about that".
Translation. "Yep. That argument cannot be rebuked. Let me stick with my emotional arguments"
The best Argonot has in response to the obvious truth that women will pass at a SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER RATE thus requiring MORE training slots to get the required number is to say.........."well, you guys don't REALLY care about that".
Translation. "Yep. That argument cannot be rebuked. Let me stick with my emotional arguments"
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:21 am to cajunangelle
hey man, as long as she can meet the same standards as the men, go for it.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:22 am to ShortyRob
My work in this thread is done.
Argonot is just another libby female who wants what she wants because "feelings".
Argonot is just another libby female who wants what she wants because "feelings".
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