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re: Nate Silver Explains Who the DSA supporters are.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/22/26 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
I think we are on the same page about identifying higher intelligence talent and giving them a path to college.
We also waste too much time on BS electives both in and after high school. The goal should be getting kids through while identifying their innate talents and guiding them to the highest level.
I'll have to look into this further since I'm far removed from high school, but I think a lot of trade type classes have gone away due to budget cuts.
We also waste too much time on BS electives both in and after high school. The goal should be getting kids through while identifying their innate talents and guiding them to the highest level.
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I think that still exists today.
It's not like your basic, non-advanced high school path is much different than the past.
I'll have to look into this further since I'm far removed from high school, but I think a lot of trade type classes have gone away due to budget cuts.
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Posted on 7/22/26 at 9:46 am to prplhze2000
The DSA leaders have already said their goal is communism. A lot of their supporters are aware of that, but I don't think most are and they need to be.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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(that we are awarding kids too many college degrees, not necessarily that we're over-educating people
Correct. The problem is the 4+-Year degree itself, and the capital it takes to earn one, the status it affords and the "flex" it becomes. It's driven a lot of bad habits - including the private sector defaulting to college degrees as job training verification - instead of really working on employee growth and investment. And we've sold the country to make sure "every student gets one." And everyone KNOWS everyone getting something is generally a bad idea outside of food and housing and clothes.
Private Corporations have outsourced ALL of their investment in people into just the 4-year degree.
We've devalued 2-Year degrees and put massive barriers around things like certificates and micro-credentials, and prior-learning assessment. There are lots of good solves for this - but the federal government wants to control the flow of funds so tightly that we will never get away from the 4-Year degree no matter how out of date it truly is.
I've been in and around this stuff for 2 decades.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:28 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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We also waste too much time on BS electives both in and after high school. The goal should be getting kids through while identifying their innate talents and guiding them to the highest level.
For kids with intellectual talent, your comments kind of contradict each other.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:31 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I'll have to look into this further since I'm far removed from high school, but I think a lot of trade type classes have gone away due to budget cuts.
You are correct that many trade type classes were cut. I don’t think it was because of budget. It was because of lower student interest in a lot of cases.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:35 am to the808bass
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It was because of lower student interest in a lot of cases.
We created too much choice and flexibility, and then - focused on white collar things in high schools thinking they had to spend every second in history, math, geography, science, etc.
Here's a tip - they don't. Make Home Ec, Car Repair and Home Finance mandatory. Add in Cooking and other Life Skills. Make some selection or taking a few of them mandatory.
In a two-parent working world - kids are not at home baking with mom or learning how to fix cars with Dad. This, honestly, is where schools need to pick up the slack.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:38 am to Freauxzen
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focused on white collar things in high schools
Well, we made “tracking” a dirty word.
And while high school counselors are not geniuses, most students’ aptitude can be pretty easily identified. We don’t want to admit Donnie, with a 90 IQ and the physique of a standout softball star, isn’t going to be the best candidate for a master’s in Biophysics.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 10:56 am to the808bass
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Well, we made “tracking” a dirty word.
And while high school counselors are not geniuses, most students’ aptitude can be pretty easily identified. We don’t want to admit Donnie, with a 90 IQ and the physique of a standout softball star, isn’t going to be the best candidate for a master’s in Biophysics.
Also true.
But there are better ways to do this than both "Donny shouldn't study English, he'll never be Hemingway," or "We should federally fund Danny trying to be Hemingway. Great idea!"
Posted on 7/22/26 at 8:13 pm to prplhze2000
I read this thread earlier this morning and thought it was one of the more interesting I've seen on the board in a while. I waited to let some comments materialize to see if others had the same thoughts I did. I'm shocked at the lack of self-awareness from you guys. Almost all comments have been misguidedly directed at the educational institutions.
WE DID THIS TO OURSELVES!
THIS IS THE RESULT OF PARTICIPATION TROPHIES!
Almost all the posters on this board are parents, and we've told our kids all their lives how great they were at everything they ever did, which is to say everything we could possibly pay for them to do. They were the best athletes, the best artists, the best gymnasts, the best scholars, the best poets, the best musicians, etc., etc., etc.
Society has been merit based for the entirety of human history... until us. WE decided that accolades and achievement were no longer related to ability. EVERYONE deserved to be the champion.
And where did that get us? Let's take a look.
Prior to the 1990s, when you weren't that great a sports, you lost, and you realized other people were better than you. It was a tough lesson, and the vast majority of people realized they needed to find another way to succeed. I would say this was the case in almost every endeavor previously mentioned. It was painful, but it made you work harder. It was reality. It's what made us all who we are, and it drove us to make money in our careers, whether we were well-educated or not.
Somewhere in the 1990s, we started teaching our kids that they were always winners, no matter the outcome of the events. Fast forward to adulthood when they're out on their own and reality finally sets in:
"I'm good at everything I've ever done. I did everything I was supposed to do at school. Companies should be lining up to pay me big money for a job."
When that doesn't happen, it can't possibly be their fault. The fault is with the system. It has to be a problem with the system.
"This system is broken and we need a new system. I think this Bernie Sanders guy has some good ideas."
And that's how all this happened. We did it to ourselves.
WE DID THIS TO OURSELVES!
THIS IS THE RESULT OF PARTICIPATION TROPHIES!
Almost all the posters on this board are parents, and we've told our kids all their lives how great they were at everything they ever did, which is to say everything we could possibly pay for them to do. They were the best athletes, the best artists, the best gymnasts, the best scholars, the best poets, the best musicians, etc., etc., etc.
Society has been merit based for the entirety of human history... until us. WE decided that accolades and achievement were no longer related to ability. EVERYONE deserved to be the champion.
And where did that get us? Let's take a look.
Prior to the 1990s, when you weren't that great a sports, you lost, and you realized other people were better than you. It was a tough lesson, and the vast majority of people realized they needed to find another way to succeed. I would say this was the case in almost every endeavor previously mentioned. It was painful, but it made you work harder. It was reality. It's what made us all who we are, and it drove us to make money in our careers, whether we were well-educated or not.
Somewhere in the 1990s, we started teaching our kids that they were always winners, no matter the outcome of the events. Fast forward to adulthood when they're out on their own and reality finally sets in:
"I'm good at everything I've ever done. I did everything I was supposed to do at school. Companies should be lining up to pay me big money for a job."
When that doesn't happen, it can't possibly be their fault. The fault is with the system. It has to be a problem with the system.
"This system is broken and we need a new system. I think this Bernie Sanders guy has some good ideas."
And that's how all this happened. We did it to ourselves.
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