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re: My hero Javier Milei releases lengthy statement on tariffs

Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:41 pm to
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We've been ignoring bullying us with tarriffs for years and they are still doing the tarriffs


Yet our wealth has grown.

Weird.

Modern populist are just people who have been passed by in the modern economy and cannot understand it.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36263 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:41 pm to
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This is not false. We're far more wealthy than we were in the Mercantilist day.

Way more wealthy.






Holy shite. Dollar wise? Yeah I guess so.


Now add debt
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5146 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:41 pm to
Damn it Bug! This man has gone out of his way to educate us lowly people and rescued us from the Socialists that ran this nation into the ground from 1776-1955.

You know damn well that taking 1.5 years of salary paying for a 3 bedroom home is FAR FAR WORSE than it take 10 years of a salary for the same today!

You also know how those damn socialists that ran this nation from 1776 to 1955 wanted people working for their money and that's just HORRIBLE. Don't you understand??? They saved us... now the gov will take care of those who won;t work. Which is how it should be.



Don't worry Rog... I got your back on this man!


Shame on you BUG!!

This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 12:43 pm
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
39409 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:42 pm to
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There are consequences to everything. Just more to tariffs than free trade.

Don't temm em that. They can't handle that both sides of any decision come with cost and consequences in some way and the best we can do is choose the ones with more pros then cons....the propaganda ensures the other side is all cons and their side is all pros
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:42 pm to
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Holy shite. Dollar wise? Yeah I guess so.


Objectively.

Our economy isnt based on mfg, we surpassed that decades ago.

There will always be winners and losers, and the losers are those who cannot adapt to the new economy
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20031 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:43 pm to
You must be real mad they’re building semiconductor infrastructure and a bunch of auto plants here huh? While tariffs may cause some short term volatility it will be much better for the country in the long run. And will weaken China
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36263 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:43 pm to
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Objectively.

Our economy isnt based on mfg, we surpassed that decades ago.

There will always be winners and losers, and the losers are those who cannot adapt to the new economy




Cool. Add debt to your previous statement and come back and talk
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
18877 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:44 pm to
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I see the MAGA folks are not enjoying this thread very much, and are avoiding.


Me thunks the word reciprocal is too big for you to understand….
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:44 pm to
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the propaganda ensures the other side is all cons and their side is all pros




This board melted down over Obama's tariffs. All it took was the Orange Juggalo to tell them differently.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:45 pm to

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You must be real mad they’re building semiconductor infrastructure and a bunch of auto plants here huh?


Deals already in place

You would need permanent subsidies before mfg will return en masse.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
1381 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:46 pm to
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Yet our wealth has grown.

Has it grown as much as it could have? If you come to school with the 2 dollars that you had yesterday and an additional 5 dollars. The bully takes 4 of those (5) dollars, your wealth has grown. Would you be happy with that? Maybe you would, I wouldn't. Weird.

quote:

Modern populist are just people who have been passed by in the modern economy and cannot understand it.
And modern libs like yourself are just pompous, pretentious, condescending, arrogant, smug,miserable know-it-alls that have accomplished nothing in their lives.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:47 pm to
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Has it grown as much as it could have?


It grew more than mfg jobs making rubber dog shite would have afforded.


Small business relies on imports for components to be able to compete with BigCorps.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55403 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:48 pm to
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his is not false. We're far more wealthy than we were in the Mercantilist day.


Is your evidence that this is not false based on American total wealth? That's nonsensical at best and a very poor argument on your part.

Again, you left out 95% of the reply. Try again:

Evidence is in the trade deficit. The market is doing what the market does. And the market dictates that all things being equal, if price point is not, then those with the lower price are at an advantage.

Let's take Canada for example. They have tariffs/VAT on our goods. We announce a 25% retaliatory tariff. Trade with the US amounts to 29% of Canada's entire GDP. Trade with Canada amounts to less than 2% of American GDP. We have the advantage and Canada will absolutely acquiesce because they cannot afford this trade war. We can weather the storm much easier seeing as we have multiple trade partners around the world and we produce similar goods domestically.

So why are you against this tariff with Canada, if they have shown no will up to this point, to reduce their own tariffs on our goods?
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
17091 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:49 pm to
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There are consequences to everything.
Yeah so why needlessly eliminate a tool from your toolbox?

quote:

Just more to tariffs than free trade.
You can't say that.

Quantify the cost of the US losing a significant portion of its manufacturing base.
Posted by FireawayLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2023
1057 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
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Yup, it's been 5 minutes, might as well give up


Because like most liberal ideologues it’s wrapped in what ifs or buts. This isn’t reality. You’re cheering on something that isn’t what you think it is.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55403 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
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Yet our wealth has grown.



So we should just be happy that we are receiving a portion of our full potential?

So you are anti-American exceptionalism because "well we have enough money"? That's a very liberal argument you are making, and anti-free market, which you claim to support.

Why can't we have equal footing in the market? Why must we become a welfare state for smaller countries?
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
3368 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
Your hero slashed government spending. Do you know how many daily threads have been posted on this board with some example of how government cuts have impacted them negatively or how the cuts aren’t saving that much money? The reality is Americans couldn’t handle what he did in Argentina and Republicans won’t even pass a clean budget with minimal cuts
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
1381 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
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It grew more than mfg jobs making rubber dog shite would have afforded.

So other countries tarriffing our products made us as a country wealthier?
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Small business relies on imports for components to be able to compete with BigCorps.
Sounds like are you saying that moving jobs overseas to slave labor has allow you to buy more? You are sounding more and more like a democrat. They always love slave labor.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:52 pm to
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Evidence is in the trade deficit


Hasnt been relative since we went off the gold standard.

Small business buys imported components, assembles a finished product and sells in the USA. Creates jobs and wealth.

Wealth is no longer static like you people think it is. Its no zero sum game anymore.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:53 pm to
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So we should just be happy that we are receiving a portion of our full potential?


I'm thrilled personally. My life is good.

I dont feel for those left behind, they had the same chance to evolve as we did.

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