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re: My friend's cousins are stranded in Kabul
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:30 am to troyt37
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:30 am to troyt37
quote:Christian missionaries aren't supposed to discriminate based on concerns for personal safety. For 2,000 years, Christians have gone where the gospel needed to be preached (everywhere) and for 2,000 years, Christians have suffered and been killed for doing so. For the missionaries in Afghanistan, this situation isn't any different.
And what are we to do when the government decides to up and runnoft? Wait for the slaughter? There's a disconnect here somewhere. As a Christian missionary in a place like Afghanistan, you have to know you are there under the protection of the US military, don't you? I mean the fact that you aren't dead the first few days after arriving tells you that, doesn't it? So how is it that you don't recognize that it is high time to GTFO, once the military decides to pull up stakes?
Christians living in Afghanistan that aren't commissioned as missionaries can choose to leave to protect themselves and their loved ones. Even the missionaries can if they choose, but missionaries are supposed to be different in that they have embraced a calling to minister the gospel to those in need of it, regardless of the risk to themselves. That's why the underground churches in China are underground. Missionaries went to China under threat of death to preach the truth to the people there who hadn't heard it, and the result was that churches sprang up throughout the country, though there is constant threat of arrest and death.
The same thing happens in Muslim countries like Pakistan and Iran, too. Christians are slaughtered by Muslims in Africa seemingly all the time. Jesus, Himself, told His disciples that they should expect persecution for His name's sake, and that's what Christians today should remember. The same thing may happen on our shores in the next few generations and Christians need to prepare ourselves for it in case it happens.
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:36 am to FooManChoo
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I don't want to bash Catholicism
Good, because it is where you get literally all your beliefs. It is healthy to acknowledge that fact. In my 14 years of Catholic school, we were taught that the splinter factions are our brothers and sisters in Christ 100% and Catholics have faith that the big guy would bring them into the fold even though they did not follow Catholic traditions or believe that Jesus was present in the eucharist.
I know for a fact that sentiment is not a two way street in the least. It's quite unbecoming and frankly hypocritical to be a "christian" and somehow reconcile your feelings towards catholics.
All that being said I hope these people make it out before dying in vain.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:37 am to ShoeBang
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In my 14 years of Catholic school, we were taught that the splinter factions are our brothers and sisters in Christ 100% and Catholics have faith that the big guy would bring them into the fold even though they did not follow Catholic traditions or believe that Jesus was present in the eucharist.
So you don't believe the Bible, aren't a Christian, but you believe Catholic teachings on church history? I guess that makes you a devout Catholic by most definitions.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:38 am to squid_hunt
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So you don't believe the Bible, aren't a Christian, but you believe Catholic teachings on church history? I guess that makes you a devout Catholic by most definitions.
Where did I say I believed anything that was taught? I can retain information I do not agree with. Does that concept evade you?
The hypocritical Protestant hate towards Catholics is always so interesting to me
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:39 am to ShoeBang
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Where did I say I believed anything that was taught?
You just called the teachings you received in Catholic school a fact.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:40 am to squid_hunt
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You just called the teachings you received in Catholic school a fact.
Go read harder
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:41 am to ShoeBang
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Go read harder
I did.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:41 am to Northwestern tiger
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Out of all the places in the world, they decide to do missionary work in Afghanistan.
To be fair, it is the worst places that need the most missionary work. People who are dedicated to doing that kind of work are willing to go to those kind of places. Just because they are willing to go to those type of places to do that kind of work doesn't mean we stop caring about them.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 11:42 am
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:42 am to squid_hunt
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I did
Please quote where I said Catholic teachings are fact. I'll wait because you can't.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:44 am to FooManChoo
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Christian missionaries aren't supposed to discriminate based on concerns for personal safety.
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Even the missionaries can if they choose, but missionaries are supposed to be different in that they have embraced a calling to minister the gospel to those in need of it, regardless of the risk to themselves.
What about the personal safety of the people who will be sent into harm's way to save their asses? Seems like the people who commission these folks to give their lives ought to make it clear that should the situation turn to shite, there is no expectation for the military to send our sons and daughters to bleed and die trying to save them.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:47 am to ShoeBang
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FooManChoo: I don't want to bash Catholicism
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Shoebang: Good, because it is where you get literally all your beliefs. It is healthy to acknowledge that fact.
Where did you learn that Christians get all their teaching from Catholics?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:55 am to burger bearcat
We should send all the Tik tok and YouTube stars over there
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:57 am to CP3LSU25
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We should send all the Tik tok and YouTube stars over there
This works on so many levels. I'm for it.
Youtube: Isis Crisis Rap Song
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:01 pm to ShoeBang
quote:I don't want to turn this into a debate about Catholicism vs. Protestantism, but historically speaking, the Protestant Reformation was a movement where the Reformers were seeking to go back to the inerrant and infallible scriptures to understand the truth of Christianity rather than seeking to understand it solely through the lens of 1500 years of fallible men.
Good, because it is where you get literally all your beliefs.
My beliefs are captive to the Bible alone, not to Catholicism or even the traditions of my own denominational expression of Christianity. I subscribe to the Westminster Confession of Faith, for example, yet don't believe that it is on equal footing as the Bible in terms of authority over faith and life. It's the Bible alone that is my authority and where I derive my doctrines. If a doctrine cannot be supported by the Bible, it shouldn't be supported at all, in my view.
quote:Don't get me wrong. This isn't some sort of tribalistic turf war where I hate Catholics because they don't wear the same colors as I do. I don't hate them at all, in fact. I believe they are in grave error and, depending on the understanding of the individual, potentially heretical based on doctrine. I can say the same thing about certain Protestant expressions of Christianity, too. But my point is that it's the doctrine that I take issue with, not the people, themselves. I believe that there are many Catholics who are saved because they do look to Christ alone by faith to save them. That, however, is in opposition to the teachings of the Church of Rome. That's what I take issue with.
In my 14 years of Catholic school, we were taught that the splinter factions are our brothers and sisters in Christ 100% and Catholics have faith that the big guy would bring them into the fold even though they did not follow Catholic traditions or believe that Jesus was present in the eucharist.
I know for a fact that sentiment is not a two way street in the least. It's quite unbecoming and frankly hypocritical to be a "christian" and somehow reconcile your feelings towards catholics
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:04 pm to squid_hunt
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Where did you learn that Christians get all their teaching from Catholics?
All modern protestant christian religions come from catholocism as their root religion. That's history, not theology. Unless there are historical facts where Martin Luther didn't start the protestant christian movement? Or the part where the king of england decided to create a new religion because he didn't agree with catholics anymore?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:08 pm to ShoeBang
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Unless there are historical facts where Martin Luther didn't start the protestant christian movement?
Martin Luther didn't start the Protestant Christian Movement.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:12 pm to troyt37
quote:Maybe I'm simply unware, but does that happen? Do we send troops in specifically for the missionaries? I didn't think we did. I thought that if anyone was sent in to rescue people, it was a general call to the people to evacuate and whoever doesn't come gets left behind. Maybe I'm just ignorant of how that works so feel free to educate me, but missionaries typically accept the risk and aren't expecting a rescue mission other than what may otherwise be expected for the general population.
What about the personal safety of the people who will be sent into harm's way to save their asses? Seems like the people who commission these folks to give their lives ought to make it clear that should the situation turn to shite, there is no expectation for the military to send our sons and daughters to bleed and die trying to save them.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Martin Luther didn't start the Protestant Christian Movement
I take education anywhere I can get it. I always leave room for myself being wrong, no matter how bad I want to believe something. Not afraid to admit being wrong when I learn something new that changes what I thought I knew.
That being said, claiming to be christian and also claiming that your religion has no ties to the catholic church is just intellectually dishonest no?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:18 pm to burger bearcat
That’s terrible but why didn’t they get out before now?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:19 pm to patnuh
Anybody that does this type of missionary BS deserves what happens. There are people to save in this country without having to go to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or North Korea.
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