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re: Mulsims seek protection from Islamophophia

Posted on 9/27/14 at 8:40 am to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 8:40 am to
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Trackfan, why do you belittle and flame away at the Catholic Church (thread you started recently) but give this shite a pass? It's getting rediculous!




Funny thing is he claims to be catholic, but we all know the truth.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 8:45 am to
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Since you obviously consider Sharpton and Jackson the unofficial spokesmen for all Black folks

Swing-and-a-miss.

I don't consider any person as "spokesman" for an Ethnicity. Ethnic groups tend not to be monolithic. Constituencies OTOH can be, and so can have spokespersons. E.g., the Pope for Catholics, etc.

As far as Sharpton and Jackson, I consider them as spokesmen for themselves. That's it. Nothing more. I view both as malignant self-serving FredPhelps-type firebrand extortionists. They do little in real terms to help any group they claim to represent, often doing more harm than good. Others like yourself, or members of the MSM may have a different POV. You're entitled to that of course.
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Sharpton and Jackson may speak out against Black-on-Black crime in the U.S., but I don't hear them speaking out about crimes committed by Blacks in Africa.

I guess I don't follow.
What does African crime have to do with American innercity violence?
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Do you expect the Muslim-American spokespersons to speak out against all Muslims crimes world-wide, or just crimes committed by Muslims in the U.S.?
I expect when a monstrous act is committed against an American in "the name of Islam," that it would be vigorously condemned not just by non-Muslim Americans as is always the case, but by Muslim Americans as well.
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What about Whites and Jews, are their spokespersons also expected to speak out when the bad elements among them commit a crime?
Spokespersons? No, as previously stated.

Members of those representative groups?
They do speak out. All the time.
Goodness! Do you not watch CNN? Do you not watch MSNBC? Do you not watch any news outlet? Do you not read a single newspaper?

This post was edited on 9/27/14 at 9:00 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:10 am to
Islam is just the worst.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:12 am to
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Don't expect Obama or Trackfan to lament the violence perpetrated in the name of Islam, though. Obama is on record as saying that anyone who does something bad is automatically not a follower of Islam, and our buddy trackfan won't even acknowledge the epidemic of Muslim violence perpetrated in the name of Islam.


To be fair, W. Bush always said the exact same things. And you should include that Ghazi fellow in this as well.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:15 am to
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W. Bush always said the exact same things.


And it was wrong when Bush said it.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:17 am to
Yup.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:18 am to
Just wanted to make sure you weren't gonna try to use the "Bush did it too/Chewbacca" defense.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:21 am to
Is there any prominent American figure who speaks out aggressively against the Muslim's propensity for violence? I can only think of Bill Maher, Hitchens (RIP), Rushdie (the latter two not American obviously). Do any actual elected politicians?

I know that Sarkozy was aggressive in trying to force assimilation better over in France but as far as denouncing the religion itself for what it is there is a huge void.

I should google Marine Le Pen's views. She seems promising.
This post was edited on 9/27/14 at 10:23 am
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:24 am to
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Is there any prominent American figure who speaks out aggressively against the Muslim's propensity for violence?


Mark Steyn

Steyn is not American by birth but has made his permanent residence in the U.S. for quite a while.
This post was edited on 9/27/14 at 10:26 am
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:32 am to
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Well then the "good" Muslims need to get together and stand against the radical Muslims.


don't disagree but it doesn't explain why the US army is in Syria-afghanistan-iraq etc..
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:34 am to
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prominent American figure who speaks out aggressively against the Muslim's propensity for violence? I can only think of Bill Maher,


Maher... prominent??

you don't know much about Americans do you.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:34 am to
I just re-watched the "Vice" episode discussing the effects of our droning program. Made a pretty compelling case that the drones are far more antagonistic to the good Muslim folks in these wastelands than actual boots on the ground are.

Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:35 am to
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there any prominent American figure who speaks out aggressively against the Muslim's propensity for violence? I can only think of Bill Maher, Hitchens (RIP), Rushdie (the latter two not American obviously). Do any actual elected politicians?

I know that Sarkozy was aggressive in trying to force assimilation better over in France but as far as denouncing the religion itself for what it is there is a huge void.

I should google Marine Le Pen's views. She seems promising.




It's pretty much career suicide if a politician does it.


Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:11 am to
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You don't think it is dumb to expect Muslim Americans to fly around the world to fight Isis?


Plenty non-muslim Americans are doing it.

American muslims are hopping on planes to go fight, but not against isis.
Posted by mouton
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:50 am to
Just curious... Do most of you think the majority of Muslim Americans support Isis and other terrorist groups?
Posted by tigernchicago
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:54 am to
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It's sad that Islamic empires were quite civilized, tolerant,


this part of your statement is complete and utter BULLSHITE.

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scientifically advanced
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:54 am to
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s there any prominent American figure who speaks out aggressively against the Muslim's propensity for violence? I can only think of Bill Maher, Hitchens (RIP), Rushdie (the latter two not American obviously). Do any actual elected politicians?

I know that Sarkozy was aggressive in trying to force assimilation better over in France but as far as denouncing the religion itself for what it is there is a huge void.

I should google Marine Le Pen's views. She seems promising.



Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a vocal critic, as well as a victim, of Islamic-induced genital mutilation. However, when she tries to speak out on it at universities here, our cowardly PC gestapo shoots her down and chases her out of town for voicing her opinions on a woman's bodily integrity
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:55 am to
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Just curious... Do most of you think the majority of Muslim Americans support Isis and other terrorist groups?


Why does the 'majority' matter? If 30 percent of them support ISIS that's pretty bad.
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:57 am to
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this part of your statement is complete and utter bullshiteE.


No, actually it's pretty well attested to in volumes of historical literature. Jews and Christians were allowed to peacefully co-exist. Read the History of the First Crusade by Runciman (only the most well-known Crusades historian). But we're splitting hairs here. Islam now is medieval and primitive, that's what we should be focusing on.
This post was edited on 9/27/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted by tigernchicago
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:58 am to
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It's sad that Islamic empires were quite civilized, tolerant,


this part of your statement is complete and utter BULLSHITE.

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scientifically advanced


No scientific significant advances have some out Muslim areas since the time that mohammad the False Prophet and his followers began attempting to conquer the world and convert all to worshiping the moon god of Arabia.

Note: Persians and Eqyptians were very advanced prior to mohammad.
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