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re: Mulsims seek protection from Islamophophia
Posted on 9/27/14 at 12:04 pm to Zach
Posted on 9/27/14 at 12:04 pm to Zach
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Why does the 'majority' matter? If 30 percent of them support ISIS that's pretty bad.
It matters when you want to lump all Muslims with the terrorists like many here seem to do.
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Posted on 9/27/14 at 2:50 pm to mouton
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It matters when you want to lump all Muslims with the terrorists like many here seem to do.
There have been occasions that I've had conversations with some Black folks, usually older than me, in which they point to all the many heinous acts that they've witnessed Whites commit against Blacks during their lifetimes as proof of the evil of "Whitey". In every one of these conservations, I told them that it was wrong to lump all Whites folks with the bad White folks, while reminding them that we wouldn't want them judging us collectively, but often my words fell on deaf ears. The Islamophobes on this board remind me a lot of these Black folks.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 3:14 pm to mouton
Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 3:15 pm to mouton
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Just curious... Do most of you think the majority of Muslim Americans support Isis and other terrorist groups?
The thing that bugs me most is that even when "moderate" Muslims DO denounce terrorist groups or fundamentalist Islam, they tend to hedge their criticism by saying something like..
"I certainly do not support these acts, nor do any Muslims that I know.. but we must understand how these sects are created and why these young men and women are so angry, and what is driving them to commit these acts".
I fricking hate those types of caveats and the Muslim people I've seen on Fox, MSNBC, Maher, etc. always equivocate. Makes my blood boil.
This post was edited on 9/27/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 9/27/14 at 9:10 pm to Paluka
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Trackfan, why do you belittle and flame away at the Catholic Church (thread you started recently)
What are you talking about? I haven't started any "Catholic Church" threads.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 9:54 pm to SirWinston
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I fricking hate those types of caveats and the Muslim people I've seen on Fox, MSNBC, Maher, etc. always equivocate. Makes my blood boil.
Yep. It doesn't matter what media it's on whether it's Fox or MSNBC, these hedging and crawfishing tactics are always there with moderate Muslims. It's an epidemic.
Islam is the religion of terror.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 10:39 pm to trackfan
quote:I believe the political vernacular is "typical white person"
I told them that it was wrong to lump all Whites folks with the bad White folks
Posted on 9/27/14 at 11:11 pm to NC_Tigah
it's very ignorant, mostly lazy, to lump all Muslim groups as one. Evil groups such as ISIS, Taliban and Al Qaeda are not the same thing as Hamas and Hezbollah. The latter 2 are localized militias with large popular backing. ISIS/Taliban/AQ have virtually no support and don't represent any sort of liberation ideology.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:12 am to rtts48
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ISIS/Taliban/AQ have virtually no support and don't represent any sort of liberation ideology.
quote:it's very ignorant, mostly lazy to say "ISIS/Taliban/AQ have virtually no support."
it's very ignorant, mostly lazy
But you're correct in identifying the inappropriateness of assigning behavior where it is undue. For example, if a substantial portion of Muslims took to the airwaves condemning those perpetrating atrocious acts in the name of Islam, it would be wrong to lump them together as collectively silent on the subject.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 1:47 am to Tigah in the ATL
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Yeah beheading is what drives the hate. People here have hated sand n#>~{*s forever.
I hate a lot of people because I just really don't like them, but I've never thought of beheading them as a solution. I guess I've mastered the idea of hating someone yet not actually harming them.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 2:14 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:Atrocities drive both disgust and animus. One who doesn't experience those same feelings is an odd bird.
Yeah beheading is what drives the hate.
quote:Very poor attribution to this site, and an atrocious slur.
People here have hated *********** forever
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:52 am to NC_Tigah
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's very ignorant, mostly lazy to say "ISIS/Taliban/AQ have virtually no support."
On the few occasions that Al Qaeda has participated in free and fair elections, they've never even broken into double digits in their share of the vote. When Hamas and Hezbollah participates in elections, they win.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:59 am to rtts48
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ISIS/Taliban/AQ have virtually no support and don't represent any sort of liberation ideology
This is laughable
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:11 am to trackfan
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The Islamophobes on this board remind me a lot of these Black folks
This comparison is pathetic. The Muslim ideology/religion is a perversion. Beheadings for all manner of offenses, female subjugation, female mutilation, honor killings, modern day slavery, etc. How anyone with half a brain can defend their sorry asses is beyond me.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:14 am to trackfan
quote:So you are claiming that the Taliban have "virtually no support" in Afghanistan or Waziristan?
On the few occasions that Al Qaeda has participated in free and fair elections, they've never even broken into double digits in their share of the vote.
AQ has "virtually no support" throughout the ME?
ISIS has "virtually no support" in Syria and Iraq?
Really?
Obviously as each of those groups are located in regions where "free and fair elections" are viewed historically as near anathema, of course their emphasis is elsewhere.
Suffice it to say, volunteers pouring in from regions far outside ISIS's/AQ's direct control speak effectively against any proposition those organizations have "virtually no support".
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:18 am to Sentrius
Islam isn't the religion of terror. It is the terror.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:19 am to Rickety Cricket
quote:No. But it is at least a tacit catalyst.
Islam isn't the religion of terror. It is the terror.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:21 am to NC_Tigah
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Swing-and-a-miss.
I don't consider any person as "spokesman" for an Ethnicity. Ethnic groups tend not to be monolithic. Constituencies OTOH can be, and so can have spokespersons. E.g., the Pope for Catholics, etc.
As far as Sharpton and Jackson, I consider them as spokesmen for themselves. That's it. Nothing more. I view both as malignant self-serving FredPhelps-type firebrand extortionists. They do little in real terms to help any group they claim to represent, often doing more harm than good. Others like yourself, or members of the MSM may have a different POV. You're entitled to that of course.
You put their names out there, I didn't. Why did you use them as examples if you don't think they're important?
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I guess I don't follow. What does African crime have to do with American innercity violence?
If you're demanding that Muslim-Americans speak out against violent acts committed by Muslims groups abroad like ISIS, it's only fair that you also demand this of other groups. In addition to acts of violence by Blacks in Africa, what about the acts of the violent, Jewish-supremacist, Israeli settlers who commit atrocities on a daily basis against Palestinians? Shouldn't you also be demanding that Jewish-Americans speak out against them?
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I expect when a monstrous act is committed against an American in "the name of Islam," that it would be vigorously condemned not just by non-Muslim Americans as is always the case, but by Muslim Americans as well.
You seem to be under some delusion that what happened in Oklahoma is a common occurrence in the U.S., instead of the rarity that it is. The fact of the matter is that number violence acts committed by Muslims in the U.S. is miniscule compared to the violent acts committed White folks, Black folks, Hispanics and Christians. If you're White, your murderer is most likely to be a White Christian #1 and a Black Christian #2, and if you're Black, your murderer is most likely to be a Black Christian #1 and a White Christian #2. IMO, both Blacks and Whites have a lot more to be ashamed of and to condemn than Muslims.
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They do speak out. All the time.
Goodness! Do you not watch CNN? Do you not watch MSNBC? Do you not watch any news outlet? Do you not read a single newspaper?
Please provide a link showing the leader of White folks speaking out against Adam Lanza.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 9:18 am to Zach
Who is it trying to fight religious wars again?
Posted on 9/28/14 at 9:20 am to trackfan
quote:Selfevident.quote:Why did you use them as examples if you don't think they're important?
They do little in real terms to help any group they claim to represent, often doing more harm than good. Others like yourself, or members of the MSM may have a different POV. You're entitled to that of course.
quote:How many members of the MSM are Jewish? Do they not call that behavior to question?
Shouldn't you also be demanding that Jewish-Americans speak out against them?
Hollywood? Same question.
quote:Really?
You seem to be under some delusion that what happened in Oklahoma is a common occurrence in the U.S., instead of the rarity that it is. The fact of the matter is that number violence acts committed by Muslims in the U.S. is miniscule
911, Boston 4/2013, and multiple domestic terror attempts notwithstanding?
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