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re: Mueller hires lawyer specializing in money laundering for Trump-Russia probe

Posted on 9/16/17 at 4:23 pm to
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 9/16/17 at 4:23 pm to
All of Mueller's lawyer buddies are laughing their way to the bank to deposit all those sweet, sweet taxpayer dollars.

The best part is they can milk this shite indefinitely.

Posted by StrangeBrew
Salvation Army-Thanks Obama
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Posted on 9/16/17 at 4:32 pm to
Pretty soon there won't be any left in Washington not working for him.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
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Posted on 9/16/17 at 9:11 pm to
I can already hear the liberals and Never Trumpers getting more and more nervous that Mueller and his buddies has nothing on Trump and they're just fleecing the federal government out of countless billable hours.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 9/16/17 at 10:36 pm to
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The only thing they have is Manafort and Flynn.


It's pretty clear at this point that they have Manafort, Flynn, and Kushner, if not many more. How likely do you suppose it is that Trump just hired and defended multiple accomplices of foreign agents unknowingly?

The only thing saving Trump so far is that he's elderly, doesn't use email, and has a lot of buffers. But it's absolutely beyond plausibility at this point to suggest that Trump didn't realize that his own campaign was colluding with foreign intelligence agents from hostile adversaries to the U.S.

As far as the Facebook stuff goes, this is part of proving the quid pro quo. The Russians had expertise in bots and trolls and information warfare. People like Bannon and the Mercers had expertise on targeting swing voters. The issue at hand for Mueller is whether the targeting of Russian bots to influence the campaign was directed by Bannon or others. If not Bannon, then who was it that helped the Russians target certain electoral demographics in a sophisticated way?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:21 am to
As already posted. Time magazine published that Putin’s Election Hacking Was About Hurting Clinton, Not Helping Trump. I will give you; that some MSM added that Putin wanted to help Trump, but it is simply not true. HRC interfered with Putin's election and Obama himself got the intelligence that Putin was targeting HRC but could not do anything about it.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:36 am to
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It's pretty clear at this point that they have Manafort, Flynn, and Kushner, if not many more.
On what, money laundering? Let's say they are busted for money laundering. How will it look when the Clinton's and about all of DC do this and get away with it daily? Name one lobbyist that isn't corrupt and doesn't hide deals and money. Even the outright known in DC political lobbying is corrupt but no one cares.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:43 am to
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Putin’s Election Hacking Was About Hurting Clinton, Not Helping Trump


The actions of Putin's intelligence services were not primarily concerned with personalities. Their goal was to get more Americans to buy into self-doubt and conspiracy theories about their own political institutions. They used many tools and threw their support behind many eccentric personalities in order to accomplish this: Jill Stein, Ron Paul, Glenn Greenwald, Alex Jones, Dana Rohrabacher, and yes, Donald Trump.

I just don't understand this whole party line of framing the issue as "Putin just wanted to hurt Hillary, so we shouldn't care." It's a mindblowingly vacuous argument.

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HRC interfered with Putin's election


Please. It was a sham election, and she called it a sham election. Good for her.

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Obama himself got the intelligence that Putin was targeting HRC but could not do anything about it.


Exactly why I despised his presidency and called him the worst and most anti-American foreign policy President in U.S. history.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:49 am to
There is a huge difference between ordinary corruption and the appearance of corruption in accepting donations from corporations and foreign leaders, versus making your living primarily through money laundered by a hostile intelligence service.

I've said repeatedly that Hillary should be in jail, that Obama basically served as an accomplice, and that Comey is a terrible, duplicitous political chameleon. None of that excuses the Trump campaign for what they did, which is undeniably worse.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162989 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:59 am to
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None of that excuses the Trump campaign for what they did, which is undeniably worse.

Have you seen evidence that the rest of the world hasn't? What did Trump do exactly? You have him tried and convicted it seems. What charges exactly?

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Please. It was a sham election, and she called it a sham election. Good for her.
Thats a weak argument. Was Israel a 'sham election' when Obama used tax payer money to interfere? Or how about when Obama and HRC tried to place the muslim brotherhood as duly elected in Cairo? A sad way of life in politics influencing elections. The democrats are just butthurt their fodder and fake reset button and HRC's interference in Putin's election came back to bite them in a tit for tat way.

If you really want to go here we could argue all day that HRCs election was a sham. And actually any GOPe v. the democrat is as well. SEE: Romney and McCain. They took all of the abuse and tactics as if they didn't care who won, the same with W... Because they all play for the same uniparty team. How can anyone with an inkling of intellectual honesty not see this?

ETA: name one GOP contender other than the current President that can actually win the rustbelt and PA. Add in the Pope's marxist politics of which the GOPe agrees with and they are doomed, no?
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 12:06 pm
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 12:07 pm to
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Have you seen evidence that the rest of the world hasn't? What did Trump do exactly? You have him tried and convicted it seems. What charges exactly?


There's enough publicly information to know that he's guilty of money laundering, campaign finance violations, and obstruction of justice. That's in addition to lying to the country about knowing, accepting, and possibly helping to coordinate campaign support from Russian intelligence. It's already known.

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Was Israel a 'sham election' when Obama used tax payer money to interfere? Or how about when Obama and HRC tried to place the muslim brotherhood as duly elected in Cairo? A sad way of life in politics influencing elections. The democrats are just butthurt their fodder and fake reset button and HRC's interference in Putin's election came back to bite them in a tit for tat way.

If you really want to go here we could argue all day that HRCs election was a sham. And actually any GOPe v. the democrat is as well. SEE: Romney and McCain. They took all of the abuse and tactics as if they didn't care who won, the same with W... Because they all play for the same uniparty team.


I don't see a coherent argument anywhere in that wall of deflection.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162989 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 12:12 pm to
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There's enough publicly information to know that he's guilty of money laundering, campaign finance violations, and obstruction of justice. That's in addition to lying to the country about knowing, accepting, and possibly helping to coordinate campaign support from Russian intelligence. It's already known.
Links?
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I don't see a coherent argument anywhere in that wall of deflection.
You call it deflection I call it reality of the establishment parties AKA the uniparty. Get your head out of the sand.

Answer my ETA please: You probably didn't see it.

Name one GOP contender other than the current President that can actually win the rustbelt and PA. Add in the Pope's marxist politics of which the GOPe agrees with and they are doomed, no?
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 12:47 pm to
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Name one GOP contender other than the current President that can actually win the rustbelt and PA. Add in the Pope's marxist politics of which the GOPe agrees with and they are doomed, no?


Nobody. The problem with Trump is that he is taking the party, and the conservative American tradition along with it, in exactly the wrong direction.

You have the flaky, Progressive left, led by people like Obama and Pope Francis, who want to regulate equality and break all distinctions made by the Holy Trinity of academia--race, class, and gender. Then you have the crazy right, filled with authoritarians who like strongmen and "brutal secular dictators" who want to close borders, rail against corporations and politicians, and play to cynical identity populism. They're both anti-freedom.

So here we get into something even more serious. The party does seem doomed in a way, but it's really not the party itself that's in trouble, so much as it is the American people. If there's one thing Breitbart gets right, it's in observing that "politics is downstream of culture." And right now, the popular culture of this country is very sick, and everybody wants to abandon our traditional morals and political ideals.

Americans are so cynical now that it seems like they want to abandon every standing establishment institution that our country once believed in. They don't believe in organized religion. They don't believe in any higher ideals. They fall all over themselves making arguments about much they support gay people and philanderers and Muhammad Ali and MLK. They supporting political trolling, because they think it's funny to watch everything burn. They pursue political goals not for their own merits, but because they think it will make them laugh if it hurts the feelings of the other side. They believe nothing is worth dying for, nothing is worth sacrificing for, and that nothing matters except making sure nobody tells them that what they're doing could be wrong. Just take it from some targeted group of rich "elites", and spread it around to the common people. It's basically the exact opposite sentiment from what Reagan spoke about in 1964.

If you want to oppose the godless Marxism of Pope Francis, then the way to that is to convince people that rules and order and tradition actually matter. That both poor people and rich people should hold themselves to higher standards. That the real enemy is people who believe in nothing and want to shakedown the elite, and that the real solution is to live simply and honorably, oppose enemies with war to preserve order, and otherwise to promote political liberty as a universal global aspiration, to let people live and trade and move freely.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:10 pm to
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There's enough publicly information to know that Trump is guilty of money laundering, campaign finance violations, and obstruction of justice. That's in addition to lying to the country about knowing, accepting, and possibly helping to coordinate campaign support from Russian intelligence. It's already known.





Never Trump delusion like this is like fine arse weed to me. Don't stop.

Can't wait to watch you melt or just disappear when Mueller announces he has nothing on Trump that will get him impeached.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135805 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:30 pm to
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who was it that helped the Russians target certain electoral demographics in a sophisticated way?
What sophistication are you referencing that virtually any Russian with rudimentary knowledge of our electoral system would not know?
Posted by kjntgr
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:50 pm to
" Better call Saul"
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:05 pm to
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But it's absolutely beyond plausibility at this point to suggest that Trump didn't realize that his own campaign was colluding with foreign intelligence agents from hostile adversaries to the U.S.


OK
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125759 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 5:06 pm to
This is becoming a farce.
Posted by TigahFrosh
Member since Sep 2017
133 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 7:35 pm to
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Witch hunt. Tax dollars at work.


If this is a witch hunt, Trump is wearing ruby slippers and Mueller is getting ready to drop the farmhouse
Posted by LSUBCILUVTHEM
The BIGBR
Member since Oct 2005
848 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 9:17 pm to
I would consider this a witch hunt. 17 attorneys for a special investigation seems irrational? Has this happen before? I don't understand it and frankly it seems extreme.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 9/17/17 at 9:22 pm to
Mueller did he hired April Doss from Saul Ewing.
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