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re: Much Needed Clarity Regarding the Pope and the Recent Document Regarding Blessings
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:15 am to Revelator
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:15 am to Revelator
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Because clearly, there is unity in the RCC
The published Catechism is what we believe. There is Unity in the Catechism.
Here's an easy on-line Catechism. There is no ambiguity there - unlike the Baptist church, which has many different doctrines and beliefs.
LINK
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Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:18 am to Revelator
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Paul encouraged them to study the scriptures for themselves
And the RCC does the same. My own parish Catholic Church as two separate Bible study groups that meet outside of Mass. THREE if you count the group of folks attending class to become new Catholics.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:18 am to Champagne
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You keep forgetting that the eunuch in Acts demonstrated that he needed a teaching authority to help him grasp the full meaning
Am I? Was the eunuch a believer filled with the Holy Spirit when he asked for assistance, or afterwards?
Regardless, what Protestant claims he never seeks guidance from others when trying to decipher difficult passages?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:20 am to Revelator
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If Paul believed that only certain trained clergy could interpret scriptures, he would have discouraged them and plainly told them the weren’t equipped for the task.
The fact that the Baptist Theological Seminaries exist prove the point that Baptists themselves do not believe what you espouse, which is that anybody sitting down with any Bible can invoke the Holy Spirit and immediately be a Pastor.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:22 am to Champagne
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And the RCC does the same. My own parish Catholic Church as two separate Bible study groups that meet outside of Mass. THREE if you count the group of folks attending class to become new Catholics.
Which is pointless. Because none of those individuals can come up with a bible interpretation that is outside of already established Catholic teachings.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:25 am to Champagne
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The fact that the Baptist Theological Seminaries exist prove the point that Baptists themselves do not believe what you espouse, which is that anybody sitting down with any Bible can invoke the Holy Spirit and immediately be a Pastor.
Absolutely not. All it proves is certain individuals can learn techniques like proper biblical hermeneutics, and have deeper theological knowledge than most laymen, which equips him better to preach and teach.
Not all Baptist preachers have a seminary degree anyway.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:28 am to Revelator
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seeks guidance from others when trying to decipher difficult passages?
Guidance from the hobo hanging out in the railroad yard? Guidance from a Professor of Theology at the Baptist Theological Seminary?
Guidance from both?
From whom do you suggest we obtain this important guidance? From a Teaching Authority?
Yes. I agree with you. Seek guidance from a Teaching Authority. The purpose of this Bible passage is revealed to all, and it destroys the Two Pillars of Protestantism.
Of course, discussing the Bible with a hobo or any neighbor is wonderful, too. But EVEN THE BAPTISTS seek guidance from a Teaching Authority and we KNOW this as an indisputable fact because Baptist Theological Seminaries exist to train Pastors to serve as the Teaching Authority for their flocks.
Look, we know that you hate the Catholic Church. You have said so yourself on this board - not recently - not even in the last year. You are a lapsed Catholic. You MUST hate and attack the RCC in order to give meaning to your decision to be a lapsed Catholic. It's a psychological condition with you - you are at war with the Catholic Church. That's why there can be no meaningful debate with you. You gainsay any strong point made by the Catholics here.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:31 am to Revelator
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Absolutely not.
Gainsaying any point a Catholic makes.
You are like the Monty Python Argument sketch. The customer pays 5 pounds for a half- hour of argument, and the proprietor offers no argument, just the automatic gainsaying of every point that the customer makes.
PS All of your word salad supports my points about Teaching Authority in the Baptist Church, and the Bible passage demonstrating the need for a Teaching Authority.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:35 am to Revelator
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Which is pointless. Because none of those individuals can come up with a bible interpretation that is outside of already established Catholic teachings.
Are you saying that the Baptist Theological Seminary exists to teach Pastors entirely new, novel and previously unknown interpretations of The Word of God?
Do you see how absolutely ridiculously illogical sense you are making here?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:46 am to Champagne
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Champagne
Question...
In your opinion as a Catholic, am I, as a Southern Baptist who has accepted the Lord as my personal savior and, as an outward expression of my Faith, been baptized and who tries, to the best of my ability and with the Lord's help, live a Godly life and repents of my sins daily... going to heaven? As in... would y'all consider me to be saved?
Does it not all boil down to that one simple question?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:48 am to CatholicLSUDude
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What's mind-numbingly stupid is your complete misrepresentation of what the document says. You are like so many others on here, motivated by hatred and anger rather than any honest effort to understand.
FACTS!
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And I love a good respectful debate. But this crap is just beyond anything that should be acceptable in discourse between people seeking Christ.
you shoulda been around 11 years ago here. i think that was the timeline. we had a 100 page thread going round and round and round with prods. you are speaking to closed minded, unobjective, brick walls with revelator and foo man choo and others simply wasting your time. Trust me. catholictigerfan and myself were in on that thread.
This is nothing more than another round of beating a dead horse.
admins will soon blow up this thread like the 100 page thread a decade back.
it is futile. most every topic and subject had been discussed with those posters in that last thread. it is just pure regurgitation/spitballing from them at this point.
but ya'll have fun going round and round.
in my best les miles voice
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:48 am to Champagne
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Are you saying that the Baptist Theological Seminary exists to teach Pastors entirely new, novel and previously unknown interpretations of The Word of God?
I would certainly hope not.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:50 am to Champagne
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Do you see how absolutely ridiculously illogical sense you are making here?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:01 am to Revelator
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The Holy Spirit is proper guidance
Well, yes. Just not in the way you are framing it. You can't make the argument with nothing but the words in the Bible that the Holy Spirit + the Bible are the ONLY teaching authority Jesus intended for us to have.
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Because clearly, there is unity in the RCC
There is exactly one formal teaching of the RCC. We went through this already several pages ago. Sure, a bunch of people may have differing opinions, but if their opinions aren't formal Catholic doctrine, one can't use them to undermine the claim.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:30 am to Champagne
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Guidance from the hobo hanging out in the railroad yard? Guidance from a Professor of Theology at the Baptist Theological Seminary?
Maybe both. If the hobo is filled with the Holy Spirit and preaching truth, I’ll listen. Why are you a respecter of persons?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:32 am to Champagne
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You MUST hate and attack the RCC in order to give meaning to your decision to be a lapsed Catholic.
This is hilarious. Outside of passing time on TD, I don’t give the RCC a second thought
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:33 am to MemphisGuy
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Question...
In your opinion as a Catholic, am I, as a Southern Baptist who has accepted the Lord as my personal savior and, as an outward expression of my Faith, been baptized and who tries, to the best of my ability and with the Lord's help, live a Godly life and repents of my sins daily... going to heaven? As in... would y'all consider me to be saved?
Does it not all boil down to that one simple question?
I know you didn't ask me, but the short answer is: it's possible, but it's through the Catholic Church and not Protestantism. The Church definitely doesn't damn you to hell.
Here's a short article outlining the Church's teaching.
LINK
One quote from it from the Catechism:
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Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:35 am to Champagne
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Do you see how absolutely ridiculously illogical sense you are making here?
Can’t you see how illogical it is to have a Bible study when everything you are ever allowed to believe is already in the catechism?
It’s pointless. Just have catechism instead.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:50 am to CatholicLSUDude
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All salvation comes by Jesus Christ and through his one Catholic Church.
So... Catholics actually have a Jesus PLUS salvation? The only way is Jesus plus the Catholic church? Or am I mis-reading?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:51 am to Revelator
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Can’t you see how illogical it is to have a Bible study when everything you are ever allowed to believe is already in the catechism?
It’s pointless. Just have catechism instead.
This is a retarded statement, even for you.
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