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Much Needed Clarity Regarding the Pope and the Recent Document Regarding Blessings
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:21 pm
I just want to take this opportunity to post actual excerpts from the document that the MSM incorrectly framed as the pope giving some sort of approval to homosexual unions via a blessing. Instead of hearing everyone regurgitate the same lies about the document, let's actually read some pieces of it.
Just a few highlights. These are actual excerpts from the document, not my explanation of them:
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Just a few highlights. These are actual excerpts from the document, not my explanation of them:
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Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.
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5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.
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In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit.
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39. In any case, precisely to avoid any form of confusion or scandal, when the prayer of blessing is requested by a couple in an irregular situation, even though it is expressed outside the rites prescribed by the liturgical books, this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding. The same applies when the blessing is requested by a same-sex couple.
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This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 6:58 pm
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Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:23 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding
Give it time.
This step was an important one in that direction.
I say in ten years you’ll see it.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:24 pm to CatholicLSUDude
divorce yourself from this demonic entity
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:24 pm to LuckyTiger
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Give it time.
This step was an important one in that direction.
Exactly. Blatant prog tactics, sliding the back end of the camel in first.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:30 pm to LuckyTiger
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Give it time.
This step was an important one in that direction.
I say in ten years you’ll see it.
And in ten years, I predict that your denomination will be Aggressively Pro Gay Sex.
See? Anybody can play your game.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:31 pm to Bayoutigre
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divorce yourself from this demonic entity
Sure, bud. Jesus Christ founded a Church that would exist in time only to be taken over by Demons.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:35 pm to CatholicLSUDude
Yet another thread trying to explain the Pope’s words that the Catholic apologists assure us are very plain.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:39 pm to Revelator
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Yet another thread trying to explain the Pope’s words that the Catholic apologists assure us are very plain.
Just wondering. Deep down inside do you dislike and resent the catholic faith? This has happened in this country.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:42 pm to Revelator
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Yet another thread trying to explain the Pope’s words that the Catholic apologists assure us are very plain.
It's apparent from your posts that you your opinion of Catholicism finds its roots in anger and hatred. I understand that putting inconvenient information in front of people like you will often yield no fruit.
Nevertheless...
Please, tell me what about the document's words that I posted are not clear on their own. I didn't even explain anything. I literally just posted the actual text. They are crystal clear.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:43 pm to Revelator
Can someone please explain to me what that stuff says. I read "blah, blah, blah, blah....but not marriage" blah, blah.
What "rites" are allowed to be given to gay couples ... it appears that some are now allowed. My question, for example: I grew up in the church...not catholic, but, if I were gay, nobody would know unless I specifically told them for some reason. I also dont know what part of the church process / service would require knowledge of being gay and therefore denial of a rite.
What am I missing?
What "rites" are allowed to be given to gay couples ... it appears that some are now allowed. My question, for example: I grew up in the church...not catholic, but, if I were gay, nobody would know unless I specifically told them for some reason. I also dont know what part of the church process / service would require knowledge of being gay and therefore denial of a rite.
What am I missing?
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:45 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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It's apparent from your posts that you your opinion of Catholicism finds its roots in anger and hatred. I understand that putting inconvenient information in front of people like you will often yield no fruit.
There is no question as sure as there was and is bigotry, there is the same simmering cultural resentment towards Catholics. It resides in the same place in the brain as bigotry.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:45 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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Please, tell me what about the document's words that I posted are not clear on their own. I didn't even explain anything. I literally just posted the actual text. They are crystal clear.
Shouldn’t the pope’s own words be explanatory enough?
Clearly, if many Catholics and non Catholics are taking his words a certain way that were never intended, they weren’t clear from the start
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:48 pm to dafif
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What "rites" are allowed to be given to gay couples ... it appears that some are now allowed. My question, for example: I grew up in the church...not catholic, but, if I were gay, nobody would know unless I specifically told them for some reason. I also dont know what part of the church process / service would require knowledge of being gay and therefore denial of a rite.
I don't exactly understand what you're asking, but no rites are allowed to gay couples as a couple. They are allowed a blessing that they've always been allowed: basically the individuals in the couple but not the union of the couple (because the church still teaches that homosexual unions are sinful). This document just lines out the boundaries. The "new" blessing (that's not really new) is an informal blessing that explicitly does not bless their homosexual union. it's just asking the Holy Spirit to work in their lives where possible.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:49 pm to CatholicLSUDude
This is the same type
Of BS language that cause the Jews to murder Jesus. Man is not capable of doing what God tells us to do because we always get in our own way. The catholic church is full of shite. They are sitting on enough money to take care of the needy but they spend their money on BS costume, fricked up traditions, elaborate buildings and lawyers to defend butt fuvkers and child kolesters.
Of BS language that cause the Jews to murder Jesus. Man is not capable of doing what God tells us to do because we always get in our own way. The catholic church is full of shite. They are sitting on enough money to take care of the needy but they spend their money on BS costume, fricked up traditions, elaborate buildings and lawyers to defend butt fuvkers and child kolesters.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:50 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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it's just asking the Holy Spirit to work in their lives where possible.
Which is something all denominations should want given His teachings.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:51 pm to Revelator
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Shouldn’t the pope’s own words be explanatory enough?
Clearly, if many Catholics and non Catholics are taking his words a certain way that were never intended, they weren’t clear from the start
Except it's not because the words weren't clear. It's because NO ONE READ THE DOCUMENT THEMSELVES. Everyone just believed what the MSM and the gossips said about it.
Seriously, read what I posted above. What about it looks like it's anything close to changing the Catholic understanding of marriage? Heck, it clearly doubles down on the traditional view of marriage!
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:57 pm to Champagne
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And in ten years, I predict that your denomination will be Aggressively Pro Gay Sex. See? Anybody can play your game.
It may, and some already do.
It’s hardly a game.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:57 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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Except it's not because the words weren't clear. It's because NO ONE READ THE DOCUMENT THEMSELVES. Everyone just believed what the MSM and the gossips said about it.
I guess that separates your church and mine. If my pastor stood in the pulpit and said,” I’m going to give this gay couple a blessing”, we’d all know what was going on without any documents to explain it.
Then he’d be voted out of the church the same day.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:02 pm to Revelator
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guess that separates your church and mine. If my pastor stood in the pulpit and said,” I’m going to give this gay couple a blessing”,
yeah that wouldnt happen in Catholic church either. Goes against the writing in the document itself
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