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re: Morning Consult released 33 minutes ago. Trump leads 70% on issues
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:00 am to tivey6301
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:00 am to tivey6301
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What in the government isn't that way?
Nothing. Nothing makes SS/Medicare any different.
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Why does it matter?
Reality matters.
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I don't recall posting that they were.
You said something along the lines of people getting these benefits who didn't work. I asked who these people were (and made a joke about widows). I'm still waiting.
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:In most cases, the widows did also work outside the home and pay social security. IF they did not, they did provide work in the home and should get the benefits the husband who passed is not receiving. Either way, that is a very small number of people. Far less than the number of illegals that biden has let in in 2 years.
You said something along the lines of people getting these benefits who didn't work. I asked who these people were (and made a joke about widows). I'm still waiting.
quote:How so?
Reality matters.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:07 am to tivey6301
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How so?
A direct example from this thread/discussion:
Reality: SS/Medicare are tax/spend, redistributive entitlement programs
Fantasy: SS/Medicare were a "promise" to workers who "paid into the system".
See how much of a difference there is in those 2 statements and why the distinction matters?
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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You don't understand. Defending entitlement spending is the conservative position.
And entitlements that were strong armed from US taxpayers via payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare should be honored. I figure between the wife and myself working over 40 years we've paid in $650k in SS and Medicare if you include the employers match, now add a growth rate of 4-5% over 40 years and I figure the government owes us around $1.5 million.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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Reality: SS/Medicare are tax/spend, redistributive entitlement programs
Fantasy: SS/Medicare were a "promise" to workers who "paid into the system".
SS was a promise. Everyone in this great nation owes a debt of gratitude to those that did the work necessary to build this nation. Much more so than the teat sucklers or illegal criminal invaders. After those teat suckling programs are cut, then we can talk about cutting SS.
Do you owe your parents anything for raising you? Or was that just another "redistributive entitlement program"?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
SLO MO
I have 40 years of check stubs that say F You!
I have 40 years of check stubs that say F You!
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:12 am to tivey6301
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SS was a promise. Everyone in this great nation owes a debt of gratitude to those that did the work necessary to build this nation.
By continuing a massive Ponzi scheme?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:15 am to saint tiger225
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It's going to take a lot more of these polls for y'all to cope with the BDR train that's coming y'all's way.
Keep posting them! We're all laughing at how y'all love polls now!
desantis people are all about posting polls when they can find any that are favorable
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:17 am to Wally Sparks
quote:So we owe those that won't work and illegal criminal invaders more?
By continuing a massive Ponzi scheme?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:19 am to Bass Tiger
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And entitlements that were strong armed from US taxpayers via payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare
Are still entitlements.
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I figure between the wife and myself working over 40 years we've paid in $650k in SS and Medicare if you include the employers match, now add a growth rate of 4-5% over 40 years and I figure the government owes us around $1.5 million
Do you do this with all your taxes? Must be fun.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:19 am to tivey6301
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Everyone in this great nation owes a debt of gratitude to those that did the work necessary to build this nation
Do you honestly believe you helped build a great nation and are thus entitled to younger generations' earnings?
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Do you owe your parents anything for raising you? Or was that just another "redistributive entitlement program"?
Did you raise your kids on a transactional basis? Did you only love and provide for them so that they would do stuff for you in the future? Do have have no concept of unconditional love as a parent?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:20 am to Wally Sparks
quote:It's ok to hate the ponzi scheme, but put the hatred where it belongs on the democrats that created it and the freeloading programs (SS is not a freeloading program). Not on those that were forced to participate.
By continuing a massive Ponzi scheme?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:25 am to Knartfocker
quote:I absolutely help build this nation. I have never collected a day of welfare. Paid my taxes every payday. The younger generation is better off because of the older generations, no doubt about it.
Do you honestly believe you helped build a great nation and are thus entitled to younger generations' earnings
quote:No, sounds like you only think of yourself. It is common with young people. I did however (with the help of my brother) take care of my parents in their later years until they passed.
Did you raise your kids on a transactional basis
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Hypocrite much?
Do you do this with all your taxes? Must be fun.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:33 am to tivey6301
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Hypocrite much?
How does having a literal consistent position on taxes make me a "hypocrite"?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Because you ridicule the poster for worrying about how much he and his wife has paid, while worrying about how much you will have to pay.
How does having a literal consistent position on taxes make me a "hypocrite"?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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No you straight up lied by saying I stated "Nothing can ever be cut".
No I didn't. This is my exact quote
Lied again... no that's not your whole quote.. This is:
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Also, this is Leftist bull shite. If you make this argument, then it applies to EVERY incidental piece of government spending.
Now nothing can be cut. Ever. Awesome.
WOW!
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:41 am to Wally Sparks
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By continuing a massive Ponzi scheme?
READ!! Nobody stated continuing it. Only you that demand that is what is being stated
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:42 am to tivey6301
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Because you ridicule the poster for worrying about how much he and his wife has paid, while worrying about how much you will have to pay.
I'm not worried as much about "how much I have to pay" as much as I'm worried about the larger economic impacts of this reckless government spending on entitlements.
Just look at the rise in cost-spending as a % of GDP over time. That's going to destroy our economy moving forward (along with other entitlement spending and interest on our debt).
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:43 am to Jjdoc
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no that's not your whole quote.. This is:
Yes, using your rhetoric, nothing can be cut. They're all "promises"
You're literally arguing against your own logic and projecting it onto me. It's pretty fun to watch in real time.
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