re: More than a dozen F-22's left behind @Tyndall some

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I find it ironic that ITT, you have MFers who don’t know anything about military aviation, talking about shite that they know nothing about

What makes the average joes on the internet believe that they know how to handle and maintain a multimillion dollar aircraft??

it’s just weird to me......

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Lots of folks just straight up talking out of their arse. One moron recently posted "it's real easy to move aircraft" as if that meant anything when discussing a hundred million dollar airplane that is 44 feet wide 60 feed long and was broke down to who knows what extent before this storm hit.

You don't just move those planes no problem, it takes careful planning and a lot of time to do something like this.

This boils down to "shite happens" it's not really anyone's fault, it just is.

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Yeah Red Horse and those guys have skills, where are you going to move them?

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Also, imagine the uproar if the Air Force had moved those aircraft over land, and people had got stuck in hurricane zone because of the logistical nightmare created by that.

I swear to God I'll never understand how the average American has became so stupid.

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This storm developed and hit within an eight day period. Do you really think something as sophisticated as a F-22 can be repaired so quickly as to make it safe for someone to risk their life to fly it? Do you know what percentage of repair was needed? Some of them could have needed as much as 50% repair. Common sense tells you that would take a considerable amount of time to get air worthy, especially when you're scrambling your arse off to get flyable planes out of harm's way in the meantime.

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It depends. You usually have a group of planes assigned for CAN in which they serve as the spare parts planes on long lead time items while they await critical inspection points based on flight/engine hour times. These planes probably never had a shot. Others probably had repairs needed and its my understanding the training bases are as high priority as the active units.

There are a number of factors that would ground a plane for safety reasons. 90% are pretty common.

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The base has a unique characteristic that is important to one of the operations being conducted there. Older fighter aircraft are converted to remote controlled drones for targets in weapons testing, currently F16s, and F4s prior to that. The proximity of the runway to the gulf allows a pilotless plane under remote control to takeoff and quickly be in a military operations area over open water without having to fly over a populated area. The drones are not always shot down and may return to land with repairable damage and be used again. Being able to land a damaged drone without it flying over a populated area is pretty important.

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That mission could be taken over by a number of other relic bases along the coast.

They were intended for coastal defense when range was a huge limitation that no longer exist but no congressperson wants a base closed in their district.

How many airbasses do we really need between lets say Belle Chase and Panama City for example?

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Also, imagine the uproar if the Air Force had moved those aircraft over land, and people had got stuck in hurricane zone because of the logistical nightmare created by that.

I swear to God I'll never understand how the average American has became so stupid.

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Guess you are correct nothing could have been done

You know why the local airport is not littered with civilian planes? because the owners have to pay for them

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You know why the local airport is not littered with civilian planes? because the owners have to pay for them

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People need to be stripped of stars and birds because of this

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Why.

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More than a dozen F-22's left behind @Tyndall

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They
weren't
airworthy

Throw all the casties you like but if the folks on that base had to come up with the replacement value of those aircraft they would not be piled up like cordwood, they would have found a solution to the problem.

As long as it is good ol' sugar uncle's money they DNGAF, its just human nature.

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It depends. You usually have a group of planes assigned for CAN in which they serve as the spare parts planes on long lead time items while they await critical inspection points based on flight/engine hour times. These planes probably never had a shot. Others probably had repairs needed and its my understanding the training bases are as high priority as the active units.

There are a number of factors that would ground a plane for safety reasons. 90% are pretty common.

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And if you weren't so blatantly stupid you might listen and learn something. These planes were not grounded for safety reasons. A base commander can overrule a safety grounding and get a plane out of the area if he feels there is a reason to do so. These planes were not flyable. There was no flying them out of there PERIOD.

There were three options.

1. Secure them in place
2. Haul them out by road
3. Haul them out by sea

None of those are good choices so the decision was made to choose the one that would be the least disruptive to area being hit by a pretty major storm.

This is, yet another, thread in which half the people posting have zero knowledge on the topic and just need to shut the frick up.