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re: More than a dozen F-22's left behind @Tyndall some
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:04 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:04 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
"your"
Just so you'll know, it works better when implying others are less informed/intelligent, that you at least use good English when hurling your invectives.
Oh you caught me in a grammar mistake , you just totally invalidated my entire point now.
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Right. Insofar as that plan accepted the potential total loss of $3Billion+ of military assets in the event of a >15ft storm surge, it is consequentially awful. Sorry.
Arguing against that FACT is silly.
You do realize that bringing in LCACs as well as their support equipment and the personal to manage that equipment during a hurricane is also a risk , right? And furthermore your "plan" would entail putting those multi million dollar jets you are so concerned about on the ocean during a hurricane.
And once again you ignore the simple logistics. The military has limited resources. Their plans for ALL situations must take this into account. Because if we continued to play your game, we could also say your plan is stupid. Why spend all the money on assets to move broken planes in case of a hurricane when the obvious solution is to just make sure we don't have broken planes. Make sure everything is flyable at all times and this never happens.
Unfortunately we don't live in fantasy land and all military plans must be based on reality . The reality is sometimes you have to leave equipment behind, you secure that equipment as good as you can while focusing on saving who and what you can.
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Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:13 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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bringing in LCACs
Hypothetically even if there was some way to quickly move the LCAC from VA to FL... Would LCACs even be able to transport F-22s easily? Do they have an easy way to strap them down to the decks? I would think it's an exponentially more complicated procedure than putting a truck or other vehicle on a LCAC?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:20 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Not to mention the practical matter of how close was the nearest ship that was capable of doing such when it was realized that this storm had turned into a Hurricane?
No problem. You just use C-5s to carry the ships in.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:22 am to RD Dawg
For the mathematically challenged Democrats in the house, what percentage of all F-22's is this? Is this above or below the average of all comparable military aircraft?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:23 am to tigerpawl
quote:Not sure exactly what you are asking?
For the mathematically challenged Democrats in the house, what percentage of all F-22's is this? Is this above or below the average of all comparable military aircraft?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:44 am to dfintlyHmmrd
quote:
Hypothetically even if there was some way to quickly move the LCAC from VA to FL...
LCACs are or could be located at PNAS. That's a 2-3hr ride, i.e. ~90mi.
quote:You may not have followed in the thread, but one would assume if the USAF was set up to modify and use LCAC assets, they would have been used.
Do they have an easy way to strap them down to the decks?
Modification though, if necessary, would simply involve a mobile platform/deck to clear wings above LCAC lateral structures during transport. Strapping/securing would be fairly routine IAW Navy protocol.
But again, if that somehow proved impossible or would put thousands of lives at risk, as HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay and others seem to intimate, then simply do not base F-22's at Tyndall.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:55 am to tigerpawl
quote:The number of F-22s left behind was 12 to 19, according to reports from Tyndall maintainers. So between 7% and 10.5% of all F-22's.
For the mathematically challenged Democrats in the house, what percentage of all F-22's is this?
quote:In per unit cost the F-22 is about 5X the F-18 and 10X the F-16.
Is this above or below the average of all comparable military aircraft?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
LCACs are or could be located at PNAS. That's a 2-3hr ride, i.e. ~90mi.
PNAS is a diving school moron. why would they house LCACs there in the off chance that they had to haul some broken airplanes out of the way of a hurricane?
Jesus Christ.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:59 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:Must be why they call it a naval air station.
PNAS is a diving school moron
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:38 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:PNAS is a Naval Air Station you fricking imbecile. Now that we're back on your 6th grade communication level . . .
PNAS is a diving school moron.
Here is a video of an LCAC operating off Destin beach. Hint: The LCAC did not come from Virginia . . . US Navy LCAC HoverCraft (Destin, Florida)
Here is a description as to how your """Diving School""" participated in Katrina:
quote:** Note: The 2 LCACs cited were sent from Panama City (even better) to rendezvous with the amphibious ships at PNAS. Unlike the LCACs, the larger ships were based in Va
Pensacola Naval Air Station has been designated as a staging base for four Navy amphibious ships that will be participating in the relief effort.
The Navy also Wednesday sent two large hovercraft known as LCACs, or Landing Craft Air Cushioned, with civilian crews from the Panama City Naval Support Activity to Gulfport. From there they were to connect with the USS Bataan, an amphibious assault ship, before heading for New Orleans to help rescue people stranded at New Orleans' Superdome.
LINK
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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** Note: The 2 LCACs cited were sent from Panama City (even better) to rendezvous with the amphibious ships at PNAS. Unlike the LCACs, the larger ships were based in Va
Yes the 2 that are part of their training fleet were sent to rescue PEOPLE after the storm had passed. They weren't sent in to haul out F22s in the middle of the storm.
Jesus you are stupid.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:11 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:From a """Diving School""", no less.
They weren't sent in to haul out F22s in the middle of the storm.
Sweetheart, once again, it is crystal clear the LCACs are local asset. Right?
It is clear that they could be set up to ferry extremely expensive USAF assets to a transport vessel, and out of the area. That is the only point I'm making. I'm pointing out that in the case of nonflyable, fraction-of-a-billion-dollar resources, which could not be evacuated by ground transportation, sea transport might be an option.
However, it is not clear hovercraft ferrying (or optional use of other amphibious assets) has ever been contemplated, practiced, or undertaken for such an operation.
Unfortunately, it is also crystal clear the local command did not apparently have any plan to clear several billion dollars in assets from storm surge exposure.
Theirs was a clench your butt and pray for luck strategy.
You find that approach acceptable.
I don't.
Beyond your histrionic invectives, the thing simply speaks for itself.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:12 pm to NC_Tigah
Not in five days FFS.
quote:Just fricking stop with this bullshite.
Unfortunately, it is also crystal clear the local command did not apparently have any plan to clear several billion dollars in assets from storm surge exposure.
quote:Because it's a lie.
You find that approach acceptable.
I don't.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:26 pm to Jbird
quote:"Just fricking stop with this bullshite"?quote:
Unfortunately, it is also crystal clear the local command did not apparently have any plan to clear several billion dollars in assets from storm surge exposure.
Just fricking stop with this bullshite.
What a curious post.
What "bullshite" are you referring to exactly?
Are you saying there was a plan to clear these assets?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:21 pm to NC_Tigah
Yes iI am.
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 6:26 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
quote:
Hypothetically even if there was some way to quickly move the LCAC from VA to FL
wait is someone asking this as a serious question?
Remember how fast that storm developed and then realize how long it takes to gather the resources, personnel, etc. as well as how long it takes to sail from half-way up the east coast, around Florida, and then back up Florida.
You're risking the ship getting trapped by the hurricane.
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Would LCACs even be able to transport F-22s easily
If you want salt-water spray all over the plane.....
Posted on 10/17/18 at 6:27 pm to NC_Tigah
fwiw those red-tail f-16's are drones. They fly but just barely. Formerly scrap planes.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:30 pm to ell_13
Some Bird Colonel will ,lose his job, seems they had plenty of time to evacuate
Posted on 10/17/18 at 9:10 pm to bigwheel
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Some Bird Colonel will ,lose his job, seems they had plenty of time to evacuate
No
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