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re: More damn tariffs. (50% on Canada)
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:24 am to i am dan
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:24 am to i am dan
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I meant would it still be cheaper for northern states to import from Canada with the added tariffs versus transporting the long distances from southern states.
The poster to whom I was replying specifically stated that the purpose of the tariffs was to force manufacturing here. So in the scenario he laid out, logic dictates that the tariffs would be sufficiently high as to cause it to be more expensive to import from Canada than ship (either the raw materials or the finished product).
Otherwise they would serve no purpose if that really is the purpose for them in the first place.
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Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:28 am to wackatimesthree
Because they are working - Trump is saving our economy long term
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:28 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The tariffs are an unpopular aspect of DJT’s term so far
For some
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and he decides to go back to that well as midterms approach
Check out the news. This is in retaliation for Canadian wildfires and Canada's lack of/refusal to perform basic fire mitigation practices.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:31 am to DMAN1968
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Not to me. I know I'm not the only one.
For fricks sake...Trump uses them as negotiating tools.
Which points out the immediate dishonesty here. If Trump just mentions tariffs, the never-trumper types get all up in arms and start sky screaming. Meanwhile, Trump himself has stated he uses them to get countries to treat the US fairly and/or punish countries for being bad actors. aka IT'S A NEGOTIATING TOOL. Yet the fools can't help themselves but to REEEEE everytime the word tariff is uttered.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:32 am to wackatimesthree
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There are great reasons for those things to be imported from Canada
They have been closing plants in Canada and coming back to the U.S.
There is NOTHING good about Canada having these jobs.
If you look at the salaries in place up there, you can see how items made in Canada have driven up prices.
They NEED us, we don’t need them (at all).
Outside of a handful of spots, Canadians are condescending shitbags that live off of the American teet.
To hell with the Canucks.
Posted on 7/21/26 at 9:48 am to wackatimesthree
Sounds similar to how Trump saved the US steel industry.
Did you have a problem with the Chinese steel tariffs?
Did you have a problem with the Chinese steel tariffs?
This post was edited on 7/21/26 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/21/26 at 11:00 pm to RazorBroncs
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Tariffs on hockey sticks from Canada is hilarious. I don't care who you are
This is where Trump loses me. Hockey sticks? We're gearing up for this coming hockey season and Trump wants to make it more expensive.
Brah, we kicked Canada's arse on the ice and beat them for two gold medals this past Olympics. Leave this alone and we'll keep beating them on the ice.
There are no major hockey equipment manufacturers in the USA. This is not protecting an American company, this is pure trolling.
And in case you are wondering, if you've been in a youth hockey rink recently, it's a huge pro-Trump crowd.
Free Jack Hughes!
This post was edited on 7/21/26 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 7/21/26 at 11:37 pm to i am dan
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Sounds similar to how Trump saved the US steel industry.
Not to me.
China was selling massive amounts of steel at below-market rates due to their government subsidizing the industry (if you want a US parallel, agriculture is a lot closer—we export certain food products at lower than market rates due in large part to the subsidies we give farmers.)
They literally were manipulating the entire international market they were exporting so much.
Canada is not doing anything like that.
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Trump saved the US steel industry.
He did?
We still have a fraction of the steel workers compared to what we had in the 70s and 80s. And the domestic steel collapse started well before China started manipulating the market, for many of the same reasons that most manufacturing jobs left and the ones that didn't don't pay what they used to. Automation and other technological advances greatly improved productivity, mini-mills replaced integrated mills, the plants started getting old and needed refurbishing and the owners didn't want to invest in them, labor unions artificially pricing labor out of the market.
Based on what I could find, we lost between 350,000 and 400,000 steel working jobs and after Trump's tariffs we gained maybe 15,000 of them back, and that's the very highest estimate I found.
And here's the thing that you guys who love tariffs always miss. The steel tariffs aren't a good example of this because China really was manipulating the international market with regard to steel, so that was probably appropriate, but let's say in general we levy 50% tariffs on something in order to get a few thousand jobs back here.
In a typical situation, that means that every American pays more for some product so that 8,000 Americans can benefit.
It's a wealth redistribution program. Just like Obamacare. Everybody pays more so that a tiny fraction can benefit.
This post was edited on 7/22/26 at 12:17 am
Posted on 7/22/26 at 8:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
To move auto manufacturing back to the US from Canada, we have to remember the big picture. Auto plants are assembly plants...the parts that are used to assemble the vehicles come from suppliers, and lean manufacturing dictates that they be close enough and responsive enough to provide components without interrupting the supply chain.
Moving these component manufacturing sites will have short-term impacts on the supply chain (which could impact costs), but also will necessitate significant work in QS9001 validation.
I was thinking about the cost of vehicles that are assembled in Canada and what impact relocation may have. Let's look at the RAV4. It has been offered in the US since 1991. How have prices changes over the years? 4-Door, 4-cyl ICE, AWD Base prices listed:
1996 (1st Gen) - $17,468 - Assembled in Japan and China
2001 (2nd Gen) - $18,245 - Assembled in Japan
2008 (3rd Gen) - $24,020 - Assembled in Canada
2012 (4th Gen) - $24,860 - Assembled in Canada
2019 (5th Gen) - $27,945 - Assembled in Canada
2021 (5th Gen) - $27,650 - Assembled in Canada
2025 (6th Gen) - $32,795 Assembled in Canada
Stopping at 2025, since only Hybrids are produced in 2026. It makes sense that Tariffs or Relocation will increase the cost of the vehicle to the consumer...but the real toll is inflation. While both actually contribute to inflation...other things contribute as well.
Notice the slight increase in the 4 years between 2008 and 2012? That was when our economy was stalled by the Housing Market Crash, and inflation stood relatively flat. In 2021, you actually saw deflation as a result of the Pandamnit.
Manufacturing in the US helps the individual and can boost the economy by creating better paying jobs for early career or lower income workers. Ultimately, we need to get back to having Inflation Hawks working on our policies to address the impact of the decreasing power of the American Worker/Consumer.
Moving these component manufacturing sites will have short-term impacts on the supply chain (which could impact costs), but also will necessitate significant work in QS9001 validation.
I was thinking about the cost of vehicles that are assembled in Canada and what impact relocation may have. Let's look at the RAV4. It has been offered in the US since 1991. How have prices changes over the years? 4-Door, 4-cyl ICE, AWD Base prices listed:
1996 (1st Gen) - $17,468 - Assembled in Japan and China
2001 (2nd Gen) - $18,245 - Assembled in Japan
2008 (3rd Gen) - $24,020 - Assembled in Canada
2012 (4th Gen) - $24,860 - Assembled in Canada
2019 (5th Gen) - $27,945 - Assembled in Canada
2021 (5th Gen) - $27,650 - Assembled in Canada
2025 (6th Gen) - $32,795 Assembled in Canada
Stopping at 2025, since only Hybrids are produced in 2026. It makes sense that Tariffs or Relocation will increase the cost of the vehicle to the consumer...but the real toll is inflation. While both actually contribute to inflation...other things contribute as well.
Notice the slight increase in the 4 years between 2008 and 2012? That was when our economy was stalled by the Housing Market Crash, and inflation stood relatively flat. In 2021, you actually saw deflation as a result of the Pandamnit.
Manufacturing in the US helps the individual and can boost the economy by creating better paying jobs for early career or lower income workers. Ultimately, we need to get back to having Inflation Hawks working on our policies to address the impact of the decreasing power of the American Worker/Consumer.
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