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re: Milo on Jehovah’s Witness, Christian Scientists, Mormons, etc
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:47 am to BamaMamaof2
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:47 am to BamaMamaof2
quote:Not at all. I don't judge the heart, but Christians can certainly judge actions. We are called to proclaim the gospel of salvation to the world. Such a proclamation is an inherent judgement because it says that their lack of the gospel is wrong and that they will be judged by God with damnation if they do not turn to Christ by faith.
You just proved what I said in my first post was right. Us Catholics don’t judge other religions or the people who follow those faiths, whereas your faith and others seem to believe they have the power of God and judge another’s faith.
Christians are supposed to confess sins to one another and repent to one another. This assumes judgement of some kind. The elders of the Church are to administer discipline, which is judgement. Calling people to repentance for sin is not judging the heart but judging the actions.
My condemnation of praying to Mary and the saints is not a heart judgment but a judgement of action. You can break the 1st commandment without formally belonging to a false religion or saying you are worshipping something other than God. Whether Catholics have worship in their hearts toward Mary or not, they are engaging in religious worship practices towards her and the saints when they pray to them.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:48 am to BamaMamaof2
quote:I agree with you. I'm judging actions, and praying to anyone or anything other than God is performing an act of worship and violating the 1st commandment. I don't have to know a person's heart in order to see that it's wrong according to God's word.
When did you and your faith give you the power of God? Only God can judge a person’s faith, check the scriptures!
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:06 am to BamaMamaof2
quote:You say that because Rome teaches that. I'm talking about Scripture, not tradition.
No, Christ gave this power to Peter. Here is the scripture.
According to the Bible, Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock" upon which the church would be built in Matthew 16:18. The verse reads, "And I say to you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.".
The Scriptures in Matthew 18 say that the disciples as a whole were given the keys and authority to bind and loose, not just Peter. This is just one of the reasons why Protestants don't follow the Roman tradition.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:10 am to FooManChoo
quote:
Christ has given the authority to bind and to loose to the elders of each congregation of each faithful branch of Christ's one Church
“Each faith branch of Christs one Church.
Do I really need to point out that different faiths have different beliefs and therefor by definition are different faiths.
Again you believe all kinds of things that are not biblical. Indeed they are not even logical.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:24 am to Guntoter1
quote:That's not an accurate or helpful distinction. It's not a different "faith" to believe baptism should be done via pouring or sprinkling vs. immersion. It's not a different "faith" to believe women can be deacons vs. not. It's not a different "faith" to believe head coverings are commanded in public worship vs. not. It's not a different faith because minor differences exist. I consider it a different "faith" altogether if the gospel is different, or if there's a different view of God other than the triune God and two natures of Christ as presented in the Apostles' Creed and Nicene Creed.
“Each faith branch of Christs one Church.
Do I really need to point out that different faiths have different beliefs and therefor by definition are different faiths.
And your statement isn't even true in Roman Catholicism. There are plenty of beliefs that differ from person to person and are acceptable in Catholicism. There's actually quite a range of beliefs that are acceptable and tolerated within the umbrella of Rome. There are even charismatic Catholics. I doubt you would say there are different "faiths" in Catholicism.
quote:All of the beliefs I have are supported by the Scriptures, either directly or by good and necessary consequence. I'd be happy to do a deep-dive into anything you have issue with.
Again you believe all kinds of things that are not biblical. Indeed they are not even logical.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:26 am to faraway
quote:This is not part of Catholic teachings.
worshipping a woman
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:32 am to FooManChoo
quote:
. It's not a different "faith" to believe head coverings are commanded in public worship vs. not. It's not a different faith because minor differences exist
You are the one who called them “different faiths “ not me.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:32 am to SirWinston
quote:
Catholics are one of the driving forces behind MAGA and populism.
And, in the 1970s, the Catholics were the leaders (and still are) behind the modern pro-life movement. The Southern Baptists didn't get on board, partially due to their (then historical) dislike of Catholicism and partially due to liberal influences at our seminaries, until we cleaned house. Though we still disagree on theology, we recognize that in this matter, we need to work with anyone and everyone for the babies' sake.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:40 am to Guntoter1
quote:No I didn't. I said "each faithful branch of Christ's one Church".
You are the one who called them “different faiths “ not me
A branch belongs to the tree and a faithful branch remains connected while an unfaithful one is broken off and not connected to Christ any longer.
I didn't say there are different faiths, but different branches. There's one faith, which is the Christian faith, and each expression of that one faith is more or less pure.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:42 am to Guntoter1
quote:
Kind of scary if you ain’t Catholic.
You Catholics are going to be really surprised some day
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:43 am to FooManChoo
quote:
All of the beliefs I have are supported by the Scriptures, either directly or by good and necessary consequence. I'd be happy to do a deep-dive into anything you have issue with.
It is not possible to have a meaningful conversation with you because you can not be honest with yourself.
You just claimed different faiths all have the same faith.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:47 am to FooManChoo
quote:
No I didn't. I said "each faithful branch of Christ's one Church".
You just lied again.
You said faith not faithful there is big difference
You are not an honest person
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:48 am to Guntoter1
quote:I think you misunderstood me because I didn't say what you said. I said there is one faith (Christianity) but different expressions of that one faith. What I originally said was "each faithful branch of Christ's one Church", which does not mean there are different "faiths" but different "branches". Your quote of me was a typo I assume, because it said "faith" rather than "faithful".
It is not possible to have a meaningful conversation with you because you can not be honest with yourself.
You just claimed different faiths all have the same faith.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:49 am to Guntoter1
quote:Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding. I quoted for you the specific words I used in relation to this discussion.
You just lied again.
You said faith not faithful there is big difference
You are not an honest person
Can you quote for me the specific words I used in context of my post?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:51 am to FooManChoo
quote:
What I originally said was "each faithful branch of Christ's one Church"
Lie
You said faith. Not faithful.
We can all read what you said. It is still there for all to see
Stop lying
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:52 am to FooManChoo
quote:
The Scriptures in Matthew 18 say that the disciples as a whole were given the keys and authority to bind and loose, not just Peter.
All disciples were given the power to bind and loose, but scripture shows that Peter, and only Peter, was given the keys.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 11:12 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:00 am to Guntoter1
quote:Perhaps I'm confused but I'm not lying.
Lie
You said faith. Not faithful.
We can all read what you said. It is still there for all to see
Stop lying
In this post of yours, you quoted me as saying, "Christ has given the authority to bind and to loose to the elders of each congregation of each faithful branch of Christ's one Church"
You responded by saying:
“Each faith branch of Christs one Church.
Do I really need to point out that different faiths have different beliefs and therefor by definition are different faiths...
I think the confusion started by you misquoting me. I said "faithful branch" while you said/quoted "faith branch". I wasn't talking about a different "faith", but describing different "branches" as "faithful". Big difference.
I responded to you here saying that I wasn't talking about different "faiths" as you described me as saying.
If you can quote for me exactly where I said what you claim I said, I'll correct myself and apologize. Assuming this description is accurate about your confusion, though, I ask that you apologize to me for accusing me of lying.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:01 am to Guntoter1
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:09 am to FooManChoo
I am sorry
I was mistaken
You did in fact say faithful not faith.
I was mistaken
You did in fact say faithful not faith.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:10 am to hawgfaninc
I kinda miss authentic flaming Milo over cosplaying butch Milo.
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