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re: Michael Brown robbed store hours before his death ?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:26 am to kilo
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:26 am to kilo
quote:
You know, you can keep saying this but that wont make it true.
No, but I keep saying it because it is true. You denying it will not make it wrong either.
The only way it is relevant is if you think the cop is more justified in doing something you thought he was wrong in doing before you had this information.
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:28 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:
Would it not?
Has everything in the world to do with why the officer approached the suspect. I am not denying that.
But, please, someone, tell me what difference it makes in the actual shooting.
How does the fact that the suspect was or was not involved in a robbery impacts the officers justification in pulling the trigger?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:28 am to NC_Tigah
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You mean other than the fact there was no police radio call to that effect,
Proof, link, citation? Dont post that stupid anonymous tape either because that was ST Louis County and not Ferguson dispatch. A robbery in Ferguson would go through Ferguson dispatch.
quote:
there was apparently no police report to that effect
Proof,link,citation?
quote:
there was no apparent search for or discovery of stolen items
proof, link,citation?
quote:
no arrest of Brown's companion on suspicion of burglary
How do you know he was involved?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:28 am to crash1211
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Maybe they didn't get the video until a day later.
Looks like those thugs burned down the wrong store in that case. Just imagine had this video not existed what would be continuing even today.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:29 am to CptBengal
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so him being an armed robbery suspect is irrelevant?
Please link any source that claims an armed robbery was commited you ignorant asshat.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:30 am to novabill
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How is the robbery related to the cop's being in danger or not being in danger at the time of the shooting?
The obvious answer, for me, is state of mind. If the officier belived he was engaging a possible suspect in an armed robbery his state of mind may well be different than if he was encountering some random kid.
This is not an attempt to justify the shooting but it could be a contributing factor. So it matters.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:31 am to cave canem
quote:Well, he is being charged with a strong armed robbery. So he kinda has you on semantics
Please link any source that claims an armed robbery was commited you ignorant asshat.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:31 am to novabill
The robbery is relevant to the stop and gives context to what was going on but has little effect on the shooting.
Also there are no court cases that allow a cop to shoot a fleeing person suspected of theft. Under that line of reasoning someone fleeing a store after allegedly stealing a candy bar could be justifiably shot by police.
Also there are no court cases that allow a cop to shoot a fleeing person suspected of theft. Under that line of reasoning someone fleeing a store after allegedly stealing a candy bar could be justifiably shot by police.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:32 am to Jay Quest
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If the officier belived he was engaging a possible suspect in an armed robbery
Except it wasn't an armed robbery.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:33 am to lsupride87
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Well, he is being charged with a strong armed robbery. So he kinda has you on semantics
Not really, one is snatch grab and run the other involves a weapon. I suspect cpt dumbass knows this but is trying to stoke the flames as usual.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:35 am to novabill
I will try to answer you.. Or I will answer you, but you will not want to understand.
The robbery issue matters, because it can help show the mindset of Brown. Not the officer. If Brown just committed a crime he may not want to go to jail for that crime. So his actions may have been aggressive. Which kind of follows the officers report.
The robbery issue matters, because it can help show the mindset of Brown. Not the officer. If Brown just committed a crime he may not want to go to jail for that crime. So his actions may have been aggressive. Which kind of follows the officers report.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:35 am to Dizz
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lso there are no court cases that allow a cop to shoot a fleeing person suspected of theft.
This is where the case will be right here in my opinion.
Was there a struggle for the officers weapon? If that is proven to be true then that changes everything.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:35 am to The Spleen
quote:
Except it wasn't an armed robbery.
That's why I used the word 'believed". We don't know why the encounter took place. We don't know what that cop was thinking.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 11:36 am
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:37 am to kilo
quote:I think you misread my post cuz.
kilo
quote:There is none. That was the point.
You mean other than the fact there was no police radio call to that effect,
Proof, link, citation?
quote:There is none. One would expect if Brown were a robbery suspect, such a search would have been part of the narrative. That was the point.
there was no apparent search for or discovery of stolen items
proof, link,citation?
quote:I don't even know if Brown himself was involved. Point being, if the shooting occurred d/t a cop's suspicion of involvement in a crime minutes before, both men would likely have been taken downtown. No?
no arrest of Brown's companion on suspicion of burglary
How do you know he was involved?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:38 am to real
quote:
f brown assaulted someone during a robbery and was identified as the guy who did it, the police , after making contact and a incident occurs,can shoot someone even while they fleeing. Courts have ruled on this exact thing before..,
If your position is that the cop is justified shooting a fleeing suspect because of the robbery, and that is the law, then I would have to agree.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:38 am to Dizz
Theft =/= robbery. Theft and/or robbery =/= assault on an officer and attempting to disarm him.
How about we wait until the investigation is completed?
To your case law point. Fleeing felons can be shot in certain circumstances:
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)
In Garner, the Court held that if a suspect “threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given.”
How about we wait until the investigation is completed?
To your case law point. Fleeing felons can be shot in certain circumstances:
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)
In Garner, the Court held that if a suspect “threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given.”
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:39 am to graves1
quote:That bit is true.
The robbery issue matters, because it can help show the mindset of Brown. Not the officer. If Brown just committed a crime he may not want to go to jail for that crime. So his actions may have been aggressive.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:40 am to yumahog
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This kid was not a saint. He had participated in a robbery only hours before he was stopped.
Who is arguing that he was a good kid?
The debate seems to be centered around the justification of the shooting. Him being a good kid or not has no bearing on the shooting. His actions at the time of the encounter with the police is what is important. Not, whether or not he was a good kid.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:41 am to yumahog
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I cannot beleive a few libs on this board cannot peice together the reason for the initial stop was the robbery.
Ok, I give you that.
Now, why was he shot?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:42 am to novabill
quote:
No, but I keep saying it because it is true. You denying it will not make it wrong either.
The only way it is relevant is if you think the cop is more justified in doing something you thought he was wrong in doing before you had this information.
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