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re: Michael Brown: Officer involved sustained facial injuries.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:50 pm to kilo
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:50 pm to kilo
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If Brown reached for the officers gun does that change the narrative? When does an individual that tried to disposes a police officer of his firearm become "not a threat" anymore?
If he reached for the gun, then the initial shot is most certainly justified to cease the threat, however, it sounds like there was a decent amount of time between initial shot and followup shots.
Also, if the scenario I mentioned with the officer grabbing the kid through the window and the kid punching him is true and the cop is a righty (His gun on his right hip) its going to be a huge stretch to say the kid was reaching across the seated officer in the car to get to his gun. He would have had to be leaning inside of the vehicle.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:52 pm to Lsut81
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Especially if some of those bullets are in the kids back.
According to his friend, all but the first two were face to face, thus in the front.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:53 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Aren't cops trained to shoot to kill once they begin discharging a firearm? Are they trained to stop if their victim pleads for his life?
Shoot to STOP the threat in a deadly force encounter. As far as the second question, if he is no longer a "threat", then no you do not continue to fire. However, the better trained the officer is the more rounds in a short period of time will be expended. Having worked in this field for nearly 20 years I can tell you that I have seen some shootings with wounds in the backside due to the officer firing rapidly and the victim falling around. I'm not excusing what happened but don't jump conclusions. Additionally, NEVER believe what comes out of the media, police departments don't release details to them other than those released thru the PIO at a press release. On the other hand, small town departments usually have officers that could not 'make the cut' at larger/more professional law enforcement agencies. They tend to be MUCH less skilled and apt for overreaction to serious situations.
TIFWIW
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:57 pm to Lsut81
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If he reached for the gun, then the initial shot is most certainly justified to cease the threat, however, it sounds like there was a decent amount of time between initial shot and followup shots.
Brown's body was 35 feet from the car. So, there's some time and distance involved.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:59 pm to kilo
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Michael Brown: Officer involved sustained facial injuries.
I am sure he did, and I can guarantee the kid was a tPOS, but he didn't deserve to be killed over it. Maybe shot in the junk or something followed by 20 years behind bars but killing him was a little much.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:59 pm to NHTIGER
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According to his friend, all but the first two were face to face, thus in the front.
Pictures of Brown after the shooting have him face down in an awkward position that looks like he was facing that direction when falling.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:01 pm to 91TIGER
quote:FIFY
Additionally, NEVER believe what comes out of the police departments
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:01 pm to the808bass
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Brown's body was 35 feet from the car. So, there's some time and distance involved.
Coroner/ME/ballistics experts will be able to determine distance shots were fired from.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:01 pm to the808bass
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These police departments need a whole new paradigm in how to control information. This Chinese water torture method in the age of social media is a loser. They should have had a statement out on this within 4-6 hours. That's plenty of time to take it and even vet it a bit. They let the narrative stew on social media for almost 24 hours and it blew up on them. Now they're trying to put toothpaste back in the tube.
Have you ever dealt with a vast majority of police amin types? Telling them that their way of doing things is wrong is to say the least difficult.
We have a guy that used to be in broadcast that is now in my line of work. He was called in to critique our media releases. Every suggestion he had was deemed not needed.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:02 pm to lsu480
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I can guarantee the kid was a tPOS
I can't guarantee that. I see no evidence of that at all, in fact.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:02 pm to the808bass
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Brown's body was 35 feet from the car. So, there's some time and distance involved.
Have to wait and see the angle of the shots and all... Like I said, I think the initial contact went down as both the witness and police have confirmed, however, it sounds like he exited the vehicle and continued shooting as the kid was running away.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:02 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Additionally, NEVER believe what comes out of the police departments
FIFY
Sure, just believe what Al, Jesse, MSNBC, and the race baiting propagandists tell you. You seem objective.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:03 pm to Five0
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Have you ever dealt with a vast majority of police amin types? Telling them that their way of doing things is wrong is to say the least difficult.
I get it. But the community pays the price for it while they're circle jerking the wagons.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
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quote:Anybody that attacks a LEGALLY ARMED individual - assuming said armed individual is not committing a crime - is in effect...ARMED.
Can you show us the law that actually says that or did you just pull it out your arse?
Like our Founders pointed out, ST...some Truths are SELF EVIDENT. If you have a gun, and an attacker who is far more powerful than you...advances to take that gun...what do you do? Fight a *fair* fight? What color flowers do you like?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:09 pm to kilo
quote:I'm with the Democrats on this one. They should release the officer's name. Period. Any other suspect in a shooting investigation would have his name released, even at the possible expense of ruining an innocent person's reputation.
Im assuming you think they should release the name of the officer involved? A name was leaked and turned out to be inaccurate and that officer received death threats.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:12 pm to Patrick_Bateman
I don't mind a cooling off period. But if they'd have released his name at the first press conference, we would have been better off, IMO. The denial of information which is normally released leads to an added air of coverup and an appearance of a lack of transparency.
Name the last time police didn't say who their person of interest or suspect was at a press conference for fear of it being detrimental to that person.
Name the last time police didn't say who their person of interest or suspect was at a press conference for fear of it being detrimental to that person.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:14 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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I'm with the Democrats on this one. They should release the officer's name. Period. Any other suspect in a shooting investigation would have his name released, even at the possible expense of ruining an innocent person's reputation.
The law states they must release the name within 72hrs, however the powers that be have ignored that law citing safety... But like you said, they are completely ok with other officers names being thrown out there and threatened to protect this guy.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:16 pm to kilo
Tom Jackson, eh?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:16 pm to Lsut81
They are the police. You figured they'd be able to keep him safe.
Perhaps they can just do what would happen to ordinary citizens whose safety might be similarly threatened. Stick him in a jail cell.
Perhaps they can just do what would happen to ordinary citizens whose safety might be similarly threatened. Stick him in a jail cell.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:17 pm to kilo
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unarmed teenager
He is not unarmed if he is trying to disarm a police officer.
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