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Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:26 pm
Posted by CajunLiberal
Memphis
Member since Oct 2019
256 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:26 pm
I read a lot of anti MFA posts on here. Most book down to, “how much will this cost me?” It’s a completely fair question. My political leanings aren’t in question here, and even I’m not admittedly fully on board at this point. However, let’s just give the benefit of the doubt for a moment...what if this program ended up costing you less than your own plan. Meaning, your bottom line at the end of the month, you paid out overall (taxes and premiums) less and had more money in your pocket. Would you still be against it?
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13610 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:27 pm to
If you like doctor, you can keep your doctor
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80268 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:28 pm to
Yes, because the quality of healthcare would decline. High end providers would pull out of the system and go cash-only
Posted by CajunLiberal
Memphis
Member since Oct 2019
256 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:29 pm to
Is that an issue with Medicare? I honestly don’t know since I’m not on it...
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22780 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:29 pm to
I would rather have good health care.
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
7972 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:31 pm to
Yes...I don’t want it to be illegal for me to get treatment even if I can afford it when I’m past the age designated by the government.
Posted by CajunLiberal
Memphis
Member since Oct 2019
256 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:31 pm to
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Yes, because the quality of healthcare would decline. High end providers would pull out of the system and go cash-only


Fair point I guess, but who are these high-end providers who won’t participate with 95-98% of the insured population?
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30031 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:32 pm to
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY HEALTH CARE !!!

allow competition across state lines and imported medicines and go away, the free market will dictate the companies with best value policies with good coverages for the money will do well while insurance companies who dont offer affordable policies with good coverages will go out of business
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:34 pm to
I would still be against it, for 2 reasons

1) I would be worried about the quality of the HC system. Even if costs go down, I wouldn’t want to see increased wait times, reduction in innovation, or narrowing of types of care available


2) The deadweight loss associated with the massive increase in income taxes and payroll taxes needed to fund the program would be quite bad for the economy
Posted by CajunLiberal
Memphis
Member since Oct 2019
256 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:35 pm to
Free market and health care don’t mix. We have a few market now, how’s that working?
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3468 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:36 pm to
Nothing the government does ever cost anywhere near what they project it will. It is always more, a lot more, because once the government has it they give contracts to their friends, the quality goes down, and the costs go up.

Also, everyone who can afford to will go to the cash doctors and still get better care.
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:37 pm to
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Free market and health care don’t mix. We have a few market now, how’s that working?


Just fine for me.

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26407 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:37 pm to
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Would you still be against it?


Yes. The government is atrocious at everything it does. Everything.
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:39 pm to
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My political leanings aren’t in question here, and even I’m not admittedly fully on board at this point.


I am sure you are not the only self-described liberal, possibly one with a decent job that has employer-provided health insurance, who are not entirely onboard with the gov't takeover of health insurance. So that's another reason libs are freaking out over 2020.

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However, let’s just give the benefit of the doubt for a moment...what if this program ended up costing you less than your own plan. Meaning, your bottom line at the end of the month, you paid out overall (taxes and premiums) less and had more money in your pocket.


It will ultimately bite everybody in the arse. You'll get crappy treatment, long wait times for appointments, wind up having to buy supplemental insurance that may partially cover urgent treatment by physicians who refuse to accept MFA and that, in the end, you will end up having to come out of pocket to make up the difference.

Plus, the money is being run through the Swamp and we know how the good the critters are at prudently spending our money. So, if you make a really good salary, MFA will bite you in the arse again after your taxes continue to rise, and rise again.
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
7972 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:45 pm to
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Fair point I guess, but who are these high-end providers who won’t participate with 95-98% of the insured population?


You’re not getting it. It will be illegal to treat a person past a certain age for things like joint replacement, organ transplant, etc.
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
813 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:54 pm to
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Fair point I guess, but who are these high-end providers who won’t participate with 95-98% of the insured population?


Those who figure out they make more opting out of being government providers and just taking cash. There aren’t enough physicians to service the current population as is. If enough decline to participate, MFA is DOA.

See the number of physicians not accepting Medicaid, as an example.
Posted by TidenUP
Dauphin Island
Member since Apr 2011
14433 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

what if this program ended up costing you less than your own plan.


This dude wanna base stuff off of "what ifs"?
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30031 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:58 pm to
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Free market and health care don’t mix. We have a few market now, how’s that working?
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maybe you should learn something about what you are talking about before making such stupid comments

insurance companies are not allowed to sell policies to customers of another state unless they open an office in that state

prescription drugs are not allowed to be imported into the united states unless the have a special exemption and there are no american suppliers with an alternative supply to treat the same issues

by design, there is no free market with insurance policies and drugs in america that allows the free market to work
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 7:01 pm to
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However, let’s just give the benefit of the doubt for a moment


That's called naivety.


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Meaning, your bottom line at the end of the month, you paid out overall (taxes and premiums) less and had more money in your pocket.



Beyond unlikely.

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Would you still be against it?


Yes. I do not want solely the government or a single government agency who also funds research to be judge, jury, and executioner of what gets paid for, what medicines are allowed to be used, what surgeries are acceptable, when end of life care is allowed, and how my day to day life is going to run based on their politically-influenced whims.


Competition > single influencer, especially in medicine.
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