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re: Mexican Soldiers Disarm Two U.S. Military Soldiers on the U.S. / Mexico Border
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:33 pm to Gusoline
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:33 pm to Gusoline
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Complacency kills. CBP probably also don't regularly if ever do training for that type of situation.
After my first combat tour we went to some unnamed location in Africa to do a standard movement/radio training mission on the next deployment (MEU).
They didn't tell us they had actors out ready to fire blanks at us.
I was one of the few " senior" junior enlisted and most of the others were on their first deployment.
I knew we also had blanks, but as soon as we took contact I dropped and returned fire, while the others just stood there sort of in shock.
My point is I had ample training and experience for the situation.
The work up/training for the MEU was more focused on other areas like boarding and unboarding aircraft, repelling/fast roping, setting perimeters etc. There wasnt a lot of immediate action/ return fire drills during the work up, so they guys who hadn't been there didn't know wtf to do.
Live and learn. Don't make the same mistake again.
Damn you are such a badass. Thank you for your service.
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Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:34 pm to Wolfhound45
Utmost respect from me, Wolf. I was never in the military, I chose law enforcement as a career and stay away from most topics on that subject. 
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:34 pm to Wolfhound45
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I am proud to say I am an Army Reserve AGR. I consider it a tremendous honor to serve in the manner that I do. He only thinks it is some kind of slur because he does not understand our history nor the what the Constitution has to say about the Army (Article I, Section 8).
We always called the active guard AGW for "Ain't Gonna Work."
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:36 pm to Wolfhound45
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You are absolutely right. They should have drawn their pistols and went down blazing
No. They should've never been put in this position to begin with. They had no business patrolling with sidearms and I would bet that they weren't loaded.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:39 pm to TopFlightSecurity
Let me say this. I respect anyone's service. I am not advocating shooting it out with a pack of likely narco -mercenaries.
I am not very happy with the policy of allowing their troops to roll across our borders and do whatever with impunity. They have been doing it for a long time and this is just another example of it. Those soldiers were in danger, make no mistake about it, and it is past time to bring this garbage to a halt.
I am not very happy with the policy of allowing their troops to roll across our borders and do whatever with impunity. They have been doing it for a long time and this is just another example of it. Those soldiers were in danger, make no mistake about it, and it is past time to bring this garbage to a halt.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:43 pm to antibarner
Maybe....the whole mission is just a political stunt and nobody thought through the actual scenarios of putting troops on the border.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:45 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:So, we have two guys with one pistol between them, driving an UNMARKED Border Patrol vehicle, facing six guys ... each armed with a full-automatic combat rifle.
1. They had an M9 on them it was stated in the article. I’m sure they had ammo otherwise it’s just a paperweight.
2. The ROE is great but armed foreign nationals pointing weapons at you and entering U.S. territory would likely trigger the collective right to self defense.
Yeah, they should have just opened up on those damned Messicans, right?
Or MAYBE they were both smarter and better trained than you, realized that the Mexican army was not invading the United States and that there was a mistake in progress, and they chose not to create a diplomatic brouhaha.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:46 pm to AggieHank86
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the Mexican army was not invading the United States
Were they on US soil?
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:46 pm to antibarner
For your reading pleasure LINK
From 2006..this is not a new problem and Pedro has been doing it for a long time.
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The current debate in the United States over illegal immigration focuses on the flood of average Mexican and Central Americans who are crossing into the United States to find jobs. An underreported problem along the U.S.-Mexican border, however, involves incursions by Mexican military personnel into U.S. territory.
From 2006..this is not a new problem and Pedro has been doing it for a long time.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:51 pm to TopFlightSecurity
quote:You are such a funny fellow.
TopFlightSecurity
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:51 pm to greygoose
quote:Read the article. This occurred WEST of El Paso. The Rio Grande turns north IN El Paso and is NOT the border west of town.
See that big wet thing right there? It's the Rio Grande River. This side is the USA. The other side is Mexico. Pretty sure everybody involved knew where they were when this happened.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:54 pm to bencoleman
quote:I am not in favor of using Regular Army troops for these missions. And I would agree, this was a poorly planned and executed mission. Fortunately no one lost their lives.
They should've never been put in this position to begin with. They had no business patrolling with sidearms and I would bet that they weren't loaded.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:54 pm to AggieHank86
If this were the case then both sides of the river were US territory unless I am mistaken.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:54 pm to antibarner
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and it is past time to bring this garbage to a halt.
Put a few of those cartel army guys in body bags and the problem should cure itself.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:57 pm to antibarner
quote:Correct, which is why it would be very easy for a Mexican patrol to find themselves accidentally north of the border.
If this were the case then both sides of the river were US territory unless I am mistaken.
The article actually does say the Mexican soldiers crossed the river, which makes no sense west of El Paso.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:00 pm to AggieHank86
Does not seem like the Messicans have a problem militarizing the border.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:00 pm to AggieHank86
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ind themselves accidentally north of the border.
you (dis)honestly think everyone living within 100 miles of the US-Mex border doesn't know exactly where it is? Especially military folks. Holy shite you are dumb.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:03 pm to AggieHank86
So they were" accidentally" north of the border, which is hard to believe since they probably knew they were west of El Paso. If that were an accident it sure wasn't one when they crossed the river.
They knew where they were, no doubt about it. I have shown evidence again and again they have no respect for the US border. They have been doing this with near impunity for a very long time. We should deploy some real soldiers down there with ROE sufficient to defend themselves and the border, and patrolling in no less than platoon strength.
They knew where they were, no doubt about it. I have shown evidence again and again they have no respect for the US border. They have been doing this with near impunity for a very long time. We should deploy some real soldiers down there with ROE sufficient to defend themselves and the border, and patrolling in no less than platoon strength.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:10 pm to cable
OK, I misread the article as saying this all took place just west of El Paso. Ita all took place west of Las Pampas and Clint, which are just EAST of El Paso, and the river basically IS the border in that area (the actual border is a few yards north of the river). There is a BIG honking fence there, but it IS a good bit further north of the river.
I have not been out there recently, but the river can get pretty dry. Even then, however, the location of the river BED is pretty clear. Clearly, the Mexican soldiers should not have crossed the border. Just as clearly, the US soldiers showed restraint and acted intelligently.
Here, the actual border is slightly north of the river AND south of the fence. To call it a “limbo” area is not a stretch.
I have not been out there recently, but the river can get pretty dry. Even then, however, the location of the river BED is pretty clear. Clearly, the Mexican soldiers should not have crossed the border. Just as clearly, the US soldiers showed restraint and acted intelligently.
quote:Further west, the exact location of the border can sometimes be hard to spot. I’ve been there (many times). You?
you (dis)honestly think everyone living within 100 miles of the US-Mex border doesn't know exactly where it is? Holy shite you are dumb.
Here, the actual border is slightly north of the river AND south of the fence. To call it a “limbo” area is not a stretch.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:12 pm to MrLarson
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Now it's a thread
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