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(Memo) Trump and GOP to come out against Alabama court ruling regarding IVF

Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:08 pm
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15024 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:08 pm
... When responding to the Alabama Supreme Court ruling, it is imperative that our candidates align with the public’s overwhelming support for IVF and fertility treatments.”

This is a quote from an extraordinary Senate Republican memo Friday pleading with their side to get its response to an Alabama Supreme Court ruling right.

The red state’s highest court this week ruled that frozen embryos are people and that those who destroy them can be held liable in wrongful-death lawsuits. The ruling puts in vitro fertilization in the state in jeopardy.

Rarely do you see such such outward concern from Republicans about the ways their newfound ability to restrict abortion rights in a post-Roe v. Wade world could go very wrong.

Multiple Republicans have struggled with their response to the ruling, including Haley and Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.). Among those who hadn’t yet weighed in before the memo was sent: one Donald Trump. By Friday afternoon, though, he assured he strongly supported IVF and called for legislation to protect it.

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Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80004 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:10 pm to
That concurrence from the Chief Justice is bananas.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139548 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:10 pm to
It’s a commie WaPo link provide by a commie.

Don’t give them clicks.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81544 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

in a post-Roe v. Wade world
Roe was wrong regardless of one's stance on the act of abortion.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50157 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:11 pm to
Really don't care what anyone says about it. The ruling is correct and Alabama has no reason to be concerned about it.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5833 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:12 pm to
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well everyone is reporting it now. Smart move by Trump.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5833 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:14 pm to
Alabama doesn't but Trump does. Abortion rights are he rallying cry of the Dems.
Posted by COAUTiger
Lil town called Nunyogotdambidness
Member since Jun 2012
352 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:16 pm to
In the California case you posted yesterday, you would be for the technician that dropped the vials of embryos to be charged with multiple counts of manslaughter?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50157 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

Alabama doesn't but Trump does. Abortion rights are he rallying cry of the Dems.


Fine. This case has nothing to do with Trump and he wasn't involved in it in any way.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50157 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

In the California case you posted yesterday, you would be for the technician that dropped the vials of embryos to be charged with multiple counts of manslaughter?


This is a stupid question. Who has been charged with manslaughter in this case?
Posted by COAUTiger
Lil town called Nunyogotdambidness
Member since Jun 2012
352 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:24 pm to
How is that a stupid question?? If that California case happened in AL, the technician killed several kids by AL law. How is that a stupid question?

Heck, you are the one that posted the case yesterday .... You sure seemed to think it was related then.

And I was not trying to argue with you. I was curious how you think that should be handled. I was (and will) leave it at that if you answer and be polite about it.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50157 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

How is that a stupid question?? If that California case happened in AL, the technician killed several kids by AL law. How is that a stupid question?

Heck, you are the one that posted the case yesterday .... You sure seemed to think it was related then.

And I was not trying to argue with you. I was curious how you think that should be handled. I was (and will) leave it at that if you answer and be polite about it.


My response remains the same. It's a stupid question. No one is being charged with murder or manslaughter and this hasn't even been suggested. They're just holding the facility responsible.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:29 pm
Posted by COAUTiger
Lil town called Nunyogotdambidness
Member since Jun 2012
352 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:31 pm to
No, it's not a stupid question at all. I really don't see how you think it is. This law creates a precedence for other cases where embryos are involved.

But from your response, I gather you do not think an individual's actions can be held responsible. Thank you for your response.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:39 pm
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23505 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:32 pm to
If an IVF clinic accidently lets a child die, they should be charged with murder. These are children, not blastocysts. No different that a 12 year old. That's what republicans believe. Trump is just another RINO siding the murder of children.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50157 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

But from your response, I gather you do not think an individual's actions can be held responsible. Thank you for your response.


I think what is happening in this case is appropriate: the facility is being held responsible for their negligence. If any law is passed in Alabama that would prevent the facility from being held responsible for negligence, then I would recommend people to stop participating in IVF in this state. Your embryos being destroyed due to negligence should not be something that can just happen with no recourse.

In this case, perhaps criminal charges for the man who destroyed other people's embryos would be appropriate. I don't know enough about what he specifically did or if he should have known what was kept in the fridge he opened to say for sure.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50157 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

If an IVF clinic accidently lets a child die, they should be charged with murder. These are children, not blastocysts. No different that a 12 year old. That's what republicans believe. Trump is just another RINO siding the murder of children.


Interesting thought, since literally no one is calling for murder charges and this has never been on the table.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5637 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:40 pm to
Rs going out of their way to interfere w something responsible for 1.5% of births that virtually NOBODY is against is just pure comedy.

They must enjoy losing elections. What an absurd unforced error.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50157 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

Rs going out of their way to interfere w something responsible for 1.5% of births that virtually NOBODY is against is just pure comedy.

They must enjoy losing elections. What an absurd unforced error.


The Alabama legislature will pass a law fixing this oversight within the next two weeks and no one will even care anymore.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
25791 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

If an IVF clinic accidently lets a child die, they should be charged with murder.

Well, no.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101145 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

If an IVF clinic accidently lets a child die, they should be charged with murder. These are children, not blastocysts. No different that a 12 year old. That's what republicans believe. Trump is just another RINO siding the murder of children.




Translation: I really want this to be a political football to hammer republicans and I'm gonna be really pissed if it's not.
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