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Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:30 pm to ronricks
So your position is that my father shouldn't have immigrated here from Ecuador and worked his arse off to the point of almost disabling himself earning a pension after 25 years with the merchant marines. Then had 2 sons, one a truck driver for 23 years and the other a combat Navy vet who served in Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey and The Philippines fighting terrorists before retiring after 20 years. That none of us should be able to immigrate here and/or run for Congress in our constitutional republic.
Or his neice who also immigrated here from Ecuador, married and now owns a small business in Florida.
Seems to me that you think your ancestors had more of a right to come to this country to pursue the American dream than mine did based of where they were born and what social safety nets were in place at the time.
Or his neice who also immigrated here from Ecuador, married and now owns a small business in Florida.
Seems to me that you think your ancestors had more of a right to come to this country to pursue the American dream than mine did based of where they were born and what social safety nets were in place at the time.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:31 pm to Indefatigable
I’ve said all along this isn’t something to be celebrated and it isn’t a big deal. Nor is it sustainable. But keep getting big mad all over partisan politics.
This post was edited on 6/17/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:33 pm to ronricks
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I’ve said all along this isn’t something to be celebrated and it isn’t a big deal.
Ok. You've said that. You felt the need to repeat it for seven pages?
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Nor is it sustainable.
This line of thinking is what makes you a retard. Immigration by poor, uneducated people has always been a part of the United States. Said immigration is in fact the only thing that makes our demographics sustainable. Our native-born growth rate has been below replacement for generations.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:37 pm to ronricks
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No it’s not Mickey otherwise we wouldn’t need birthright citizenship would we? Let’s eliminate it and see what your response would be in this same scenario.
Yes, it is. You are an American citizen automatically because you were born here.
If you are born in another country but meet the requirements regarding your parents citizenship, you are also a citizen automatically, but in that scenario you must file an application for certification of citizenship.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:37 pm to Suck Out West
No I’m not a supporter of social safety nets or the welfare state. Am I supposed to be ashamed by that? I also don’t support Illegal Immigration or birthright citizenship. The vast majority of countries on planet earth also agree with me.
A lot of things ‘sound’ good and ‘feel’ good but that doesn’t mean they work.
You disagreeing with me doesn’t make you right and me wrong. Or vice versa.
My whole point has been the absurdity of ‘celebrating’ stupid shite.
A lot of things ‘sound’ good and ‘feel’ good but that doesn’t mean they work.
You disagreeing with me doesn’t make you right and me wrong. Or vice versa.
My whole point has been the absurdity of ‘celebrating’ stupid shite.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:39 pm to Indefatigable
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This line of thinking is what makes you a retard. Immigration by poor, uneducated people has always been a part of the United States. Said immigration is in fact the only thing that makes our demographics sustainable. Our native-born growth rate has been below replacement for generations.
Because it was sustainable 200 or 100 years ago doesn’t mean it is sustainable now. Especially not with the welfare state and social safety net we have now. Things change and evolve. Right? Or do we just continue to allow unfettered Illegal Immigration like we have for damn near 40 years now. You think that is sustainable? We are already at a breaking point financially. We can’t afford it or support it anymore. It simply is not a sustainable model going forward.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:40 pm to Suck Out West
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So your position is that my father shouldn't have immigrated here from Ecuador and worked his arse off to the point of almost disabling himself earning a pension after 25 years with the merchant marines. Then had 2 sons, one a truck driver for 23 years and the other a combat Navy vet who served in Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey and The Philippines fighting terrorists before retiring after 20 years. That none of us should be able to immigrate here and/or run for Congress in our constitutional republic.
Your father sounds like the type of man I would have loved to meet. Sounds like you have a solid family.
ETA: I guess Rump Ricks downvoted this.
This post was edited on 6/17/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:40 pm to ronricks
Who is "celebrating" it? Is someone throwing a party, baking a cake or holding a ceremony? I just see people pointing out the irony and hypocrisy.
I am fine with social safety nets so long as they aren't abused and people don't use them as career choices. I know many will disagree with me but that's fine.
I am fine with social safety nets so long as they aren't abused and people don't use them as career choices. I know many will disagree with me but that's fine.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Yes, it is. You are an American citizen automatically because you were born here.
Mickey, if I was born in Germany I would still be an American citizen. I don’t need birthright citizenship to prove anything. What don’t you understand about this?
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:42 pm to Indefatigable
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Immigration by poor, uneducated people has always been a part of the United States. Said immigration is in fact the only thing that makes our demographics sustainable. Our native-born growth rate has been below replacement for generations.
This. My ancestors came here from Sicily 3 generations ago dirt poor, uneducated, and couldn't speak any English. Now we have a very large, acclimated, successful family contributing to society.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:43 pm to ronricks
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Or do we just continue to allow unfettered Illegal Immigration like we have for damn near 40 years now.
Nothing in any of my posts have addressed illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is not what we are talking about.
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It simply is not a sustainable model going forward
Legal immigration is the only sustainable model going forward, just as it always has been. If you disagree with that, you do not understand demographic trends or elementary-level economics.
Quit trying to conflate illegal and legal immigration. It just makes you seem like an idiot at best and a liar at worst.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:45 pm to ronricks
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What don’t you understand about this?
It isn't Mickey with the misunderstanding. You seem unable to wrap your mind around the idea that there are two ways of becoming a US citizen at birth, and that no one has ever said that you "need" either one. Can they overlap? Yes.
This post was edited on 6/17/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:46 pm to Suck Out West
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So your position is that my father shouldn't have immigrated here from Ecuador and worked his arse off to the point of almost disabling himself earning a pension after 25 years with the merchant marines. Then had 2 sons, one a truck driver for 23 years and the other a combat Navy vet who served in Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey and The Philippines fighting terrorists before retiring after 20 years. That none of us should be able to immigrate here and/or run for Congress in our constitutional republic.
My position is your father shouldn’t be ‘celebrated’ anymore than my grandfather who was born in America and flew 56 missions in WWII. It’s a great story but big deal? Plenty of people have done what your father did. Would you celebrate for me if I were to move to Ecuador and do the exact same things your father did?
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:47 pm to ronricks
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Mickey, if I was born in Germany I would still be an American citizen. I don’t need birthright citizenship to prove anything. What don’t you understand about this?
You weren't born in Germany. You never filed an application for certification of citizenship. You were born here and that is why you are a citizen under the law.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:47 pm to ronricks
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My position is your father shouldn’t be ‘celebrated’ anymore than my grandfather who was born in America and flew 56 missions in WWII. It’s a great story but big deal? Plenty of people have done what your father did. Would you celebrate for me if I were to move to Ecuador and do the exact same things your father did?
This is such a weird position to be this passionate about. How much have you had to drink this afternoon?
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:47 pm to navy
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Y’all do realize that she came here legally when she was 6 years old, right?
Most of her formative life has been in the USA.
Yeah I totally get it, I’m an American of Mexican descent whose grandparents were as American as apple pie, they were also illegal migrant farmer children working the fields south of Cushing, Ok.
The whole point of the OP was the glaring double standard presented by the MSM, if it doesn’t bother you, that’s your prerogative.
Viva La Raza! Mrs. Flores, Viva La Raza!
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:49 pm to Indefatigable
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Nothing in any of my posts have addressed illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is not what we are talking about.
Several people in this very thread have addressed Illegal Immigrants, Immigrants, and Anchor Babies which are three distinctly different things.
Illegal Immigration and Legal Immigration is not sustainable in 2022 America. We can’t even support and deal with all the people we have here now. And like Rome before us we will eventually fail because of it.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:50 pm to ronricks
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My whole point has been the absurdity of ‘celebrating’ stupid shite.
You keep harping on this over and over for pages. No one said that but the OP…sarcastically. People commenting “good” and the like isn’t really celebrating, it’s commenting on a story on a message board. It’s wild this has to keep being repeated
Posted on 6/17/22 at 1:52 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I’m an American citizen because my parents were naturally born American Citizens. It literally doesn’t matter where on planet earth I was born. Nothing will change that. I don’t need birthright citizenship. What don’t you understand about that?
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