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re: Massie is evidently going after Trump. He's big mad over Iran.

Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by DefCon1
Member since Dec 2017
785 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:53 pm to
Maybe, Massie should study some American history. Does he understand the concept of precedent?

First Barbary War (1801–1805): This conflict began when the Pasha of Tripoli declared war on the United States. President Thomas Jefferson responded by deploying naval forces without seeking a formal declaration of war from Congress.

Second Barbary War (1815): President James Madison sought and received congressional authorization to use military force against Algiers, but this was not a formal declaration of war

What other military action has the US participated without declaring war?

The United States has engaged in numerous military actions without formally declaring war. Some notable examples include:

Korean War (1950-1953): This was termed a "police action" and was conducted under the auspices of the United Nations.

Vietnam War (1955-1975): U.S. involvement escalated without a formal declaration of war, relying instead on congressional resolutions like the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

Persian Gulf War (1990-1991): This was authorized by a United Nations resolution and congressional approval but not a formal war declaration.

The U.S. participated in NATO's bombing campaign during the Kosovo War in 1999. This was part of Operation Allied Force, aimed at stopping the ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo by Serbian forces under Slobodan Miloševic. The campaign lasted from March to June 1999 and involved extensive airstrikes on military targets in Yugoslavia, including in Kosovo and Serbia.

The operation was controversial, as it was conducted without a formal United Nations mandate, but NATO justified it as a humanitarian intervention. It ultimately led to the withdrawal of Yugoslav forces from Kosovo and the establishment of a UN-administered territory.
Afghanistan (2001-present): Military action began following the 9/11 attacks, authorized by Congress but not declared as a war.

Iraq War (2003-2011): Similar to Afghanistan, this was authorized by Congress but not formally declared as a war.

Other actions:

The U.S. has been involved in military actions against Libya on multiple occasions:1986 Bombing of Libya (Operation El Dorado Canyon): This was a U.S. airstrike in response to Libyan involvement in terrorist attacks, including the bombing of a Berlin nightclub. The operation targeted military sites in Tripoli and Benghazi.

Ther actions where war was not declared:

2011 NATO Intervention: The U.S. played a significant role in the NATO-led military intervention during the Libyan Civil War. This was conducted under the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which authorized a no-fly zone and measures to protect civilians. The intervention contributed to the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi's regime.

2015–2019 Campaign Against ISIL: The U.S. carried out airstrikes and drone strikes in Libya as part of the international campaign against ISIL. These operations targeted ISIL.
Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
2959 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:53 pm to
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Authorisation for Use of Military Force
Point being???
The Pres of the US can strike anything without congressional Authorisation for Use of Military Force if within the parameters I posted.

Inform congress within 48 hrs of the action.
Can't take an action longer than 60 days, and have additional 30 days to remove any troops..

Not hard to understand.


Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:53 pm to
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Because I'm not a Trump boot licker? Lol


No because your TDS has been showing for years and it's caused severe brain rot to the point that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

You and the few crew run to the PT anytime you think "We got him now!! and the PT WILL LOVE ME FOR IT!".


You are a joke!

Again, no war declaration is needed. Period. Authorization for Use of Military Force was and is the governing act. These are terrorists and have been labeled as such.

We are not going to go to war and put boots on the ground. What we are going to do is kick a little arse to show them we are not playing piddly-arse games where they have a spy ship coordinating with the Houthies.

Period!
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44416 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:53 pm to
Why do you fricktards hate the Constitution when your guy is in charge? Congress controls spending and declares war. That’s what they do.

You same fricks are the ones bitching about Biden deciding to proxy war in Ukraine, but Trump gearing up for war in Iran as a proxy for Israel and y’all are all for it?
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20704 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:54 pm to
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Because I'm not a Trump boot licker? Lol
Call it what you want, the name attached isn't good.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:56 pm to
Massie, as usual, is correct.

I suppose MAGA is done with the "No New Wars" bullshite now. That was a quick turnaround.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:57 pm to
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According to whom?


The US State Department.

They have four countries on their list of state sponsors of terrorism: Iran, Cuba, N. Korea, and Syria.

quote:

"State Sponsors of Terrorism" is a designation applied to countries that are alleged to have "repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism" per the United States Department of State.


I don't know that they actually rank them, so i don't know that it's true that Iran is considered #1, but with that short a list, does it matter?
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20704 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:57 pm to
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Apparently so.
Agreeing with Bunk. That's a low not easily attained.

That lot is reserved for low info Kackles voters.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:58 pm to
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PT WILL LOVE ME FOR IT!




Who the frick thinks coming here and criticizing Trump in any way will be popular?
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:58 pm to
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Again, no act of war is needed.


Yes, and apparently not since FDR declared it back in 1941. Now 84 years and counting that Congress is bypassed by a fiat wave of the hand. NOT a good thing for a "Constitutional Republic".

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They have been labeled a terrorist organization by our Gov.


So had "MAGA", Christians and the like if I recall by the last administration.

quote:

We just sank their most advanced spy ship who was coordinating with the houthies.

So YEAH they were a threat.


How much of a "threat" (and according to whom?)

Why would Iran risk a hot war by purposely prodding the US? None of this make any sense at all.
Posted by RandRules
Member since Mar 2025
411 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:58 pm to
Mark my words, this is a mistake by Trump. His approval rating has never been higher. With everything he plans on doing at home, he still needs more support to get things done. Why jump into a war with Iran? Let Israel handle its own business and stop being World Police
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:58 pm to
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Again, no act of war is needed.


Business as usual for the Uniparty.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13265 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:59 pm to
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That ship has sailed


For the last time...
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:00 pm to
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Mark my words, this is a mistake by Trump. His approval rating has never been higher. With everything he plans on doing at home, he still needs more support to get things done. Why jump into a war with Iran? Let Israel handle its own business and stop being World Police


Where are you idiots coming from who think that retaliating against having a US aircraft carrier attacked is "being the world police?"
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
16566 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:00 pm to
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Period!
Harrumph!!
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34241 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:00 pm to
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"To strike Iran requires a vote of Congress because it’s an Act of War."

Only because Massie wants to vote No, and see it fail. Because, muh, Trump

The guy is coming unhinged. I hope its not because he lost his wife. Grief is tough opponent
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20704 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:01 pm to
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Massie, as usual, is correct.

Are you not even reading the thread?

Search engines to the left of you, monitors to the right and we are stuck in the middle with you.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:01 pm to
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Didn't Massie's wife "suddenly die" while the Biden Regime was still President after a revealing interview with Tucker? This guy has always not only been outspoken, but actually speaks and acts on behalf of his constituents like we wish the rest of our reps and govt officials did.


What’s his wife have to do with passing bills under Biden, allowing unlimited Ukraine money out the door and now him giving resistance to Trump when his party has full control? Make it make sense other than principles
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:02 pm to
You bootlicking Commies can continuing to hate the Constitution. I'll stick with Massie on this one.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:02 pm to
Massie probably isn't wrong here and this hardly qualifies as 'going after Trump'.
Tucker Carlson posted some projections that came from the Pentagon. I'll see if the image posts, but it states that striking Iran will likely cost us tens of billions, produce many retaliations against us, and lead to thousands of American deaths.

Iran played a role in American deaths in Iraq. They were prominent in EFPs that killed troops there. A lot of people lashed out at Trump for targeting Soleimani(sp?), but I didn't, because of Iran's role against us in Iraq. However, what's going on now, the pressure to strike the Houthis and Iran, is Israel's bidding, not ours.
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