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Marijuana research for Alzheimer's cure stymied.

Posted on 6/13/17 at 9:48 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 9:48 am
(In advance, I offer apologies for the length of this post. I usually write short posts or replies, but I found this topic very personal. I'm not a big advocate of wholesale recreational access to marijuana, but believe it should be decriminalized and that it has medical properties that can be tapped and put to effective use. )

My dad has Alzheimer's. It's too late for him, but what does my future hold? It's frightening to consider. Or yours?
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Promising new research conducted last year at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies has shown that marijuana extracts may hold a key to treating Alzheimer's disease. The next step: To conduct tests on mice and, if the results are promising, move on to human trials.

Preliminary evidence from the study done on human neurons indicates that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other compounds found in cannabis promote the removal of a toxic plaque protein, amyloid beta, found inside neurons in the brains of Alzheimer's patients. It is this plaque that causes inflammation and neuron cell death, contributing to the loss of memory and mental abilities in Alzheimer's patients.

The Salk scientists believe that if they are able to use cannabis compounds to target and attack the buildup of amyloid beta before people start showing the symptoms of the disease, they may be able to stop the cells from making the inflammatory molecules, Schubert said.

But, then, every silver lining comes with its own dark cloud. Right?
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But Salk Institute researchers have run into a major hurdle, and not a scientific one: the federal government. The Salk Institute is based in La Jolla, California — a state that legalized marijuana last November — but it is a federally funded research institute.

Because the Salk institute receives money from the National Institutes of Health, an agency of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the lab must abide by federal law, which prohibits it from having any unapproved strains of cannabis in its facility without the proper registration.

So, we have the federal government purposefully in the way. But, what about private industry? Well....
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The cost to the economy of caring for Alzheimer's and dementia patients was estimated to be about $236 billion in 2016. In 2015 a study funded by the National Institutes of Health estimated that the costs associated with late-stage dementia are greater than for any other disease.

During the last five years of a person with dementia's life, total health-care spending was more than a quarter of a million dollars per person ($287,038), about 57 percent greater than costs associated with death from other diseases, including cancer ($173,383) and heart disease ($175,136).

So, OBVIOUSLY, the healthCARE industry is against a cure, as that would wipe out a quarter-trillion in medical expenditures every year. What about pharmaceuticals, though?
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Currently, there are just five prescription medications approved for use in the United States, which aim to slow down the worsening of symptoms in people with Alzheimer's, but they have proved to only be effective in some people and for a limited period of time. Schubert contends that the pharmaceutical lobby in Washington, D.C., is part of the problem. "The pharmaceutical companies want to stop the use of cannabis in the research community because it's a natural product, so it can't be patented," he said. "That's the reason they don't have any incentive to use it (cannabis) in the development of new drugs. They can't make money on it, so they are against it."

So, it's a losing proposition for the drug company stockholders to create a drug derived from a natural product. So nobody with funding cares. Not the government, not the medical community, not the drug companies. How can this be overcome? Back to the research....

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Salk researchers believe the reason so many Alzheimer's drugs are failing may be explained by the widely held belief in the scientific community that simply removing or preventing the accumulation of amyloid plaques that occur outside of the brain's cell can help alleviate some of the symptoms of dementia. But the scientists at the Salk lab believe that this is the wrong approach.

"They are trying to use antibodies to get rid of plaque that is outside the cell, but that is too late in the disease," Schubert said. By the time the plaque has developed, the damage to the patient's brain cells may already be too extensive. "What we are trying to do is get rid of the plaque amyloid protein while it is still inside the cell, at a much earlier stage in the progression of the disease," Schubert said.

Wow! So much promise being wasted. But wait, just around the corner there is this...
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So far, all requests for a removal or rescheduling of the marijuana plant to a Schedule II or III drug have been denied. The DEA denied two of the latest petitions last August, stating that the CSA mandates that scheduling decisions be based on medical, scientific and other data showing the relative abuse potential of a drug.

The damn DEA. The war on drugs. The LE lobby. The prisons lobby. And now, of course, we have...
Jeff Sessions personally asked Congress to let him prosecute medical marijuana providers



I like Jeff Sessions. I really do, and I don't wish him ill-will. Really. But, everyone has to go sometime, so when it's his turn, hopefully he won't know he's dying because his brain will be so ravaged by the very disease that his actions today prevented from being researched and possibly cured.

**original article link: LINK
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted by Machine
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 9:49 am to
Marijuana being a Schedule 1 Drug is a crime in and of itself
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:01 am to
Make sure you are getting enough vitamin K2 in your diet. Vitamin K can help to prevent Alzheimer’s.

The study talks about vitamin K however it's vitamin K2 that people lack as they get older that leads to the misallocation of calcium. You can make vitamin K2 in your gut by eating food with sufficient vitamin K, however K will not convert to K2 without the proper flora in your gut.

Vitamin D3 gets the calcium from your gut to your blood stream. Vitamin K2 gets the calcium from your blood stream to your bones and teeth. With insufficient K2 your bones can become lower in density over time (osteopenia), arteries become calcified, nerves become calcified among other calcium misallocatoin problems.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:25 am to
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HubbaBubba
Great post and my sympathy for your dad, you and your family. Have you looked into the growing corpus of literature/studies on diet's direct impact on the disease? Recent book Article
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:29 am to
My grandmother had Alzheimer's and it apparently runs in my family for the women. I'd actually be interested to learn how marijuana helps with Alzheimer's.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:30 am to
Alzheimer's is thought to be stage 3 diabetes. Avoiding grains and sugars is helpful for your brain.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:30 am to
I hate this as well but if weed is that helpful than just take a road trip to Colorado and bring a ton back. It's not the end of the world.
Posted by AUstar
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:36 am to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:40 am to
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diet's direct impact


The evolving data argues that this is a significant driver of the process. Some researchers argue that it reflects type 3 diabetes (with the end results affecting the brain...)

I have posted this on here in the past. It was not well received....

It is hard to convince people not to be victims when they are fixated with the strict genetic/familial model that most folks reason they are condemned to....






This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 10:53 am
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:40 am to
People touting the health benefits of marijuana is a scam. They have ulterior motives.

Remember when embryonic stem cells would eventually lead to medical miracles? It was just a cover for abortionists to claim the high ground on killing babies. Turns out that many medical advancements have come from cord blood stem cells

Same thing with marijuana. Because a drug that produces specific learning and memory deficits later in life, isn't going to cure or help with a condition that is associated with specific memory impairments later in life
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:43 am to
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People touting the health benefits of marijuana is a scam. They have ulterior motives.



There's definitely benefits in pain management. Anyone who thinks differently has never smoked MJ.

That aside, jailing people who use, sell, and smoke MJ is a colossal waste of tax dollars. Speaking strictly on principles people who believe in the status quo also believe in the prohibition of alcohol.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:52 am to
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There's definitely benefits in pain management.

uh, the words 'Alzheimer's cure' and 'pain management' aren't even remotely the same thing. Not even close

And there are a billion pain management drugs already on the market. Another scam for support of MJ
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:05 pm to
Another thing I remembered reading about this is Alzheimer's also have noticeably higher aluminum stored in their brain. Basically saying it is a heavy metals poisoning.

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I have posted this on here in the past. It was not well received....


How people get heavy metals poisoning is not well received either
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:06 pm to
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Marijuana being a Schedule 1 Drug is a crime in and of itself


I agree with this.
Posted by The Great McGinty
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:07 pm to
Vitiman K is not good for everyone.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:09 pm to
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And there are a billion pain management drugs already on the market. Another scam for support of MJ


Of course. Where would we be without our opioids?

Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:13 pm to
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HubbaBubba


Why is your entire post bolded and italicized?
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:14 pm to
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And there are a billion pain management drugs already on the market


Nearly all of which have more debilitating side effects and/or are far far far more addictive than marijuana. Most heroin addicts became addicted by being prescribed opium based pain medication for a workplace or car accident injury. When their prescription ran out, they had to resort to the black market to get their fix. Many illegal narcotics are simply the black market forms of validly issued prescription drugs that people are getting addicted to because they are incredibly dangerous.

Guess what isn't addictive? Marijuana.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:18 pm to
If only we let people smoke pot, then Alzheimer's would be cured and people would get to see with their third eye and society would be a better place.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118853 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:20 pm to
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Vitiman K is not good for everyone.


Vitamin K2. Just take a few minutes and research the difference between vitamin K and K2.

ETA:

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Bottom Line: The main function of Vitamin K is to activate the calcium-binding properties of proteins. K1 is mostly involved in blood clotting, while K2 helps regulate where calcium ends up in the body.


You don't want your dietary calcium used as building blocks to form plaque in your arteries. K2 allocates calcium properly (e.g., replenishes the Ca in your bones and teeth).
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 12:28 pm
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