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Many on this Board often complain that Dems are highly aligned while rs are fractured…

Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:24 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47074 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:24 am
Here are some excerpts from Matthew Yglesias’ substack today. Yglesias is a Center-Leftist who absolutely hates Trump and Republicans.
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Managing Biden’s 2020 Primary, I and the campaign were targeted repeatedly by groups in the Democratic ecosystem pushing policies out of line with voters, including around Medicare for All, Senator Elizabeth Warren’s student debt plan, and extreme environmental positions. But embracing these positions would have complicated winning the general election. In particular, I received countless messages warning me that if Biden didn’t adopt Warren’s student debt plan, then he would for sure lose the primary. Conversely, no groups in the Democratic ecosystem — except a few unions, to my memory — gave Biden support in the primary for advocating for a secure border or significant infrastructure investment proposals, positions that help win general elections.


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Things are different on the Republican side.

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The GOP have built an ecosystem anchored in broadly resonant values: Club for Growth (free market capitalism), CATO Institute (liberty), Heritage Foundation (freedom), the Koch network (prosperity), and the Federalist Society (conservative legal framework). These organizations not only shape policy and advocacy but also reinforce a cohesive Republican brand. Moreover, the GOP has cultivated a communications network that amplifies its message effectively.

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The Democratic ecosystem has increasingly embraced the concept of “intersectionality,” a term rarely used outside elite circles. This mindset has blurred organizational focus, making it difficult to distinguish what any given group actually stands for. As a result, nearly every organization is seen as prioritizing a broad mix of causes — from transgender rights and climate justice to politically correct speech and global ideology — regardless of their original mission. This incentive to “check every box” extends to candidates and elected officials, diluting clear, strategic messaging and undermining the ability to make compelling arguments that help win elections or govern effectively.


This was a lot of work to say that Democrats have gone off the deep end.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
36455 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 6:39 am to
He gave the GOP too much credit. We are sick of them too. Trump and alternative media did it despite the GOP.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
5029 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:01 am to
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He gave the GOP too much credit.


He is lying about what he thinks.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47074 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:45 am to
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He is lying about what he thinks.

Nope. I’ve been reading him for too long. The answer is the same phenomenon that makes us think the refs are favoring the other team. Or, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
7369 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:53 am to
Yglesias is simply ridiculous. There is no more powerful “moderate” voice or stance in the Democratic Party. You only have varying shades of radical Leftism.

The older, traditional style American liberal that most of us were familiar with growing up has lost control of that party for good and they will not get it back.

Meanwhile, Yglesias might want to familiarize himself with the still very prevalent Bush-McCain-Romney strain of the GOP.

Dems haven’t had/ don’t have a persistent “DINO” contingency to constantly run interference and stand in the way of getting things done.

Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13283 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:16 am to
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This was a lot of work to say that Democrats have gone off the deep end.



Democrats have been off the deep end for decades.

The MSM covered for them until Musk purchased Twitter, allowing the truth to be told.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47074 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:47 pm to
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There is no more powerful “moderate” voice or stance in the Democratic Party. You only have varying shades of radical Leftism.

That's just not true. Have you read Abundance? In it Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson propose a platform that is certainly not radical leftism. And can you give me any opinions of Matt Yglesias that you think are radical?

I don't agree with these guys, but their most radically left views are that CO2 is a problem and we need affirmative action. All of them believe the defund the police movement was stupid. Yglesias knows that men pretending to be women are men.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
11827 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:16 pm to
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Many on this Board often complain that Dems are highly aligned

They vote in lock-step...that's what that means.

The rest is just noise.
Posted by 5WFSHR
Montgomery, AL
Member since Apr 2024
1790 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:17 pm to
Center-leftist, that was back in the day.
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4395 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:18 pm to
Some of the lefties are making an effort to be honest for once.
This was from Joe Klein this morning...

tap tap tapping on Biden's door - Joe Klein Sanity Clause

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The 2024 election was not just a contest between populists and elitists, not even primarily a contest between left and right. The crucial dynamic was strength versus weakness. Trump gave the appearance of strength. Biden—and yes, Harris, too—gave the appearance of weakness. This had to do with Biden’s age; it was mostly about the sclerosis of his party.

There is a body of thought that we’re entering a post-progressive era. A few months ago, I reviewed a brilliant book on the subject, The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism by the British philosopher John Gray. A few days ago, in the Wall Street Journal, Eric Kaufmann of Buckingham University offered a partial Cliff Note version of the argument when he wrote:

The decline of woke isn’t merely a “vibe shift.” It marks the end of the 60-year rise of left-liberalism in American culture. We are entering a post-progressive era.

Woke refers to an ideology of equal outcomes and emotional-harm protection for minorities…It energized a suite of policies known as diversity, equity and inclusion, whose roots lie in older racial-sensitivity training and affirmative-action programs. It is now in retreat. [Emphasis mine.]

It is obviously more complicated than that. There were other Democratic tendencies in addition to identity politics that propelled the secular slouch toward weakness. There were also the rise of feminism (and concomitant dissing of men), and arrant litigiousness. These were subtle tendencies, until they weren’t…until they became the battle cry of the 2024 campaign: “Kamala is for They/them. President Trump is for you.”

Decades ago, Chris Matthews identified the Republicans and Democrats as the “Daddy” party and “Mommy” parties. It was eerily accurate then and now, and it’s probably not going to change. Democrats can’t, and shouldn’t, remake the basic DNA of their party. There is too much right about the basic humanity of it. There does need to be a rebalancing, though. The aggrandizement of women, minorities and lawyers has to be modified and rethought. The excesses are going to have to be excised.

Kaufmann notes, accurately, that the 60-year effort to create equal rights—for blacks, for women, for homosexuals, for immigrants of every hue—produced some brilliant social improvements. In fact, it was a smashing moral success…and then, the Democrats took it too far, fr from equality of opportunity to equity of results. Read through any Biden Administration document and you will see the word “equity” used—consciously, foolishly—where previous Democratic Presidents would have used “equality.” Words matter; the Biden staffers were tilting away from freedom toward a slushy socialism by fiat.

Ruy Teixeira, who has been an invaluable part of this discussion, was absolutely right when he wrote this week that the Dems haven’t yet dealt with the unpopularity of their positions on some of the most basic issues: illegal immigration, crime—that is, support for the police—identity politics and environmental extremism.

But there is another way to think about this. It has to do with the public’s perception of strength—and the Democrats’ cultural allergy to it. Weakness—in the form of overweening sensitivity—has become doctrine in the party. Granted, the foolishness of American machismo over the past 60-years—the thoughtless disasters of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan—gave the use of force a bad name. It painted the Democrats, foolishly, against the military, against the police, against the flag. But true strength is different than force. At its best—as it was practiced by George H.W. Bush, Brent Scowcroft and James Baker—strength is not braggadocio and bluster. It is quiet, but deadly serious. It is demonstrated by a clear sense of intent and values and disciplined purpose. You don’t overthrow Saddam Hussein after you’ve crushed his army. You don’t “rub the Russians’ noses” in the end of their empire. American strength was once Gary Cooper on Main Street, protecting the townsfolk from villains in “High Noon.” Now it’s an asinine Hulk Hogan WWE clown show. Now it is Trump’s cruel version of the Hunger Games.



Still pouty leftist BS comes through, but he does recognize the problem with the Woke, feminism, and environmentalists.
Doesn\t come completely out and call them Jacobins, but tip toes the line of calling them Jacobins...
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8919 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:21 pm to
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Yglesias is simply ridiculous. There is no more powerful “moderate” voice or stance in the Democratic Party. You only have varying shades of radical Leftism.


If history has taught me anything is you shouldn’t trust a monarchist or conservative’s judgement on the difference between liberal, socialist, and communist.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
1662 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:31 pm to
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Penrod


Lmao of course you’ve been reading him for too long. Such a “moderate” you are. Nah just fake
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
1662 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:36 pm to
Well you’re a moron so you haven’t been taught much
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
68436 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:29 am to
The far left rallies to vote in lockstep with the establishment left when it matters 100% of the time. There is no such loyalty among republicans.

The reality is that the populist right and socialist left have a few things in common. The populist right, socialist left, evangelical right, naturalist left, and libertarian right all have different things in common. However, at the end of the day, establishment protects establishment. The GOPe will side with the Democrat establishment against the other Republican factions. However, the other leftist factions ALWAYS side with the establishment Dems against all republican factions, even on issues where they actually should be in alignment. On the right, ideology tends to trump partisanship more often than it does on the left. The average voter on the left sees everything as left vs right. The average voter on the right sees everything as the people vs the establishment, and the left is siding with the establishment.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
5029 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:38 am to
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If history has taught me anything is you shouldn’t trust a monarchist or conservative’s judgement on the difference between liberal, socialist, and communist.


There is no effective difference.

Point out 1 of each in the democrat party so we can laugh at you.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
21024 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 4:21 am to
Except he is wrong about the right and the institutions he listed mostly suck cock. We also don’t have a real effective way to broadcast the message until Elon bought Twitter
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
19628 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 5:17 am to
Latino men aren't turning out to be the leftist voting bloc that they were counting on.

The end.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47074 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 9:20 am to
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Lmao of course you’ve been reading him for too long. Such a “moderate” you are. Nah just fake

I’m not a moderate, and no one on Yglesias’ comment section thinks I’m anything but a full on right wing nut job. I’m a small government conservative who is intellectually curious and reads opinion across the political spectrum…as you should, too.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47074 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 9:38 am to
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Latino men aren't turning out to be the leftist voting bloc that they were counting on.

The end.

I think this is a much better summary (courtesy of poster ScottFowler in another thread)
quote:

The 2024 election was not just a contest between populists and elitists, not even primarily a contest between left and right. The crucial dynamic was strength versus weakness. Trump gave the appearance of strength. Biden—and yes, Harris, too—gave the appearance of weakness. This had to do with Biden’s age; it was mostly about the sclerosis of his party.

There is a body of thought that we’re entering a post-progressive era. A few months ago, I reviewed a brilliant book on the subject, The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism by the British philosopher John Gray. A few days ago, in the Wall Street Journal, Eric Kaufmann of Buckingham University offered a partial Cliff Note version of the argument when he wrote: The decline of woke isn’t merely a “vibe shift.” It marks the end of the 60-year rise of left-liberalism in American culture. We are entering a post-progressive era.

Woke refers to an ideology of equal outcomes and emotional-harm protection for minorities…It energized a suite of policies known as diversity, equity and inclusion, whose roots lie in older racial-sensitivity training and affirmative-action programs. It is now in retreat. [Emphasis mine.]

It is obviously more complicated than that. There were other Democratic tendencies in addition to identity politics that propelled the secular slouch toward weakness. There were also the rise of feminism (and concomitant dissing of men), and arrant litigiousness. These were subtle tendencies, until they weren’t…until they became the battle cry of the 2024 campaign: “Kamala is for They/them. President Trump is for you.”

Decades ago, Chris Matthews identified the Republicans and Democrats as the “Daddy” party and “Mommy” parties. It was eerily accurate then and now, and it’s probably not going to change. Democrats can’t, and shouldn’t, remake the basic DNA of their party. There is too much right about the basic humanity of it. There does need to be a rebalancing, though. The aggrandizement of women, minorities and lawyers has to be modified and rethought. The excesses are going to have to be excised.

Kaufmann notes, accurately, that the 60-year effort to create equal rights—for blacks, for women, for homosexuals, for immigrants of every hue—produced some brilliant social improvements. In fact, it was a smashing moral success…and then, the Democrats took it too far, fr from equality of opportunity to equity of results. Read through any Biden Administration document and you will see the word “equity” used—consciously, foolishly—where previous Democratic Presidents would have used “equality.” Words matter; the Biden staffers were tilting away from freedom toward a slushy socialism by fiat.


Can anyone read that and say that the entire left wing is radical?
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