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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID

Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77976 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:57 pm to
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The problems, in addition to local hiring practices fall on these two things.


how do local hiring practices increase people going to jail?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:57 pm to
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reckon it's time to exit this thread, as comprehension and objectivity finds itself more and more scarce.



Right, meaning one other person agrees with you.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77976 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:57 pm to
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I reckon it's time to exit this thread, as comprehension and objectivity finds itself more and more scarce.



You;re probably right, but ill probably linger a little longer
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:58 pm to
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how do local hiring practices increase people going to jail?


By hiring personnel who are prone to escalate instead of minimize an issue.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
134985 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:59 pm to
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Police just collect evidence and bring in criminals.
Yet in this case they did neither. The killed an innocent man.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11407 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:59 pm to
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Well.. you just proved yourself to be at the very least, ignorant, and one to jump to wrong conclusions.

Sorry, I just made an assumption based on the fact many posters have insinuated you are a cop and you have yet to deny that. Add that to the fact that I have never met such a staunch cop supporter who wasnt a cop or related to one, and I came up with the conclusion I came up with. If I'm wrong, my bad. I know I wouldn't want to be called a cop.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77976 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:01 pm to
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By hiring personnel who are prone to escalate instead of minimize an issue.


Can you statistically prove this is a significant factor in our incarceration process? i don't think most people are in jail simply for resisting arrest.

Also they hire personelle who apply. I think the job does attract alpha males at a much hire percentage than other jobs.

I think the majority of cops are good, and do the right thing, but it seems especially heinous when we see ones who don't.

And i hate when people don't get the facts to a situation and make up their mind baed off of agenda.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77976 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:02 pm to
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Police just collect evidence and bring in criminals.
Yet in this case they did neither. The killed an innocent man.


which alone should help the incarnation rate.

But in this case we don't know he was innocent.
He could be but we don't know what happened. He could have been innocent up until he started fighting cops.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9945 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:08 pm to
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Had he calmly stated his name, do you think he'd be dead today?


What law says you have to do that?

Yelling does not mean you should be killed. Further, if 5, YES 5 cops have to kill 1 guy to get him under control, they need a new job.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:15 pm to
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But Moore Police Chief Jerry Stillings calls the actions of his officers "reasonable."

Perhaps I just have a different understanding of the word reasonable than the chief. When someone dies as a result of the action maybe the reasonable line has been crossed.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:24 pm to
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But Moore Police Chief Jerry Stillings calls the actions of his officers "reasonable."


Not sure how 5 police officers getting physical with 1 unarmed man can be deemed reasonable.

We don't know all of the facts yet, but I find it hard to believe THAT much physical force and pepper spray is needed to subdue 1 unarmed man.

If that's the case, then like a previous poster mentioned, perhaps those individuals need to search for other lines of work.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:31 pm to
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And i hate when people don't get the facts to a situation and make up their mind baed off of agenda.


Looking at the statistics, there can be few other conclusions. Our CJ system fricking sucks.

Are you trying to say we just have a much worse class of citizen than every other nation in the world?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77976 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:34 pm to
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Looking at the statistics, there can be few other conclusions. Our CJ system fricking sucks.]Are you trying to say we just have a much worse class of citizen than every other nation in the world?


maybe, we also have a higher incident of murder than a lot of other countries that we are being compared to.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
134985 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:35 pm to
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He could have been innocent up until he started fighting cops.
What uninstigated cause could he have for fighting the cops?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77976 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:37 pm to
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What uninstigated cause could he have for fighting the cops?


cops get call for public domestic abuse. they go to investigate. he doesn't cooperate tempers flare and escalate form there. I don't know what happened so i am not goon pretend like i believe that to be it, but it could have happened.
Posted by geauxturbo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
4379 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:38 pm to
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And i hate when people don't get the facts to a situation and make up their mind baed off of agenda.


I hate seeing people die when its not necessary. Like this case. This is over an ID. A freaking ID. Who gives a shite if he shows his ID

I guess when Jews in Nazi Germany didn't show their papers, the SS was justified in beating them. Should've been more compliant... You and your friends would make excellent SS officers.

Normal citizens should have the power...not the state. It should be hard for them to take any liberty from you. But, I know many of y'all think that's just silly...if you have nothing to hide or haven't comitted a crime you should just comply.

You can show your ID. You can comply. And you can get on the fricking train buddy. Enjoy that ride and learn to hold your breath. Don't mind those fences...they're for your protection.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:41 pm to
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maybe, we also have a higher incident of murder than a lot of other countries that we are being compared to.





Proportionally, we're blowing everyone out of the water.

Some, maybe. Others, not so much. Russia has a much higher homicide rate and lower imprisonment rate, as does Brazil.

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- The single largest driver in the increase in the federal prison population since 1998 is longer sentences for drug offenders.
- The average inmate in minimum-security federal prison costs $21,000 each year. The average inmate in maximum-security federal prisons costs $33,000 each year.
- Federal prison costs are expected to rise to 30 percent of the Department of Justice's budget by 2020 .
- Sens. Dick Durbin, Pat Leahy, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul have all endorsed legislation to give federal judges more flexibility when sentencing non-violent offenders. Holder backs the bill, too.
- The most serious charge against 51 percent of those inmates is a drug offense. Only four percent are in for robbery and only one percent are in for homicide.
- The most serious charge against 20 percent of state-prison inmates is a drug offense. That's much lower than the 51 percent in federal prisons, though it's still larger than any other single category of offense in state prisons.



LINK

LINK

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Over the past two decades, no area of state government expenditures
has increased as rapidly as prisons and jails. Justice Department
data released on March 15, 1999 show that the number of prisoners
in America has more than tripled over the last two decades from
500,000 to 1.8 million, with states like California and Texas
experiencing eightfold prison population increases during that time.
America's overall prison population now exceeds the combined
populations of Alaska, North Dakota, and Wyoming.
What is most disturbing about the prison population explosion is
that the people being sent to prison are not the Ted Bundies, Charlie
Mansons, and Timothy McVeighs - or even less sensationalized
robbers, rapists, and murders - that the public imagines them to be.
Most are defendants who have been found guilty of nonviolent and
not particularly serious crimes that do not involve any features that
agitate high levels of concern in the minds of the public
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:44 pm to
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Had he calmly stated his name, do you think he'd be dead today?


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes)]LINK[/link]

Oklahoma does not have a stop and identify law, the man was under no obligation to provide ID, say his name, or answer any questions to him by the police.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:45 pm to
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I hate seeing people die when its not necessary. Like this case. This is over an ID. A freaking ID. Who gives a shite if he shows his ID


Serious crime in America

LINK

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A Texas woman was dragged screaming to a police car in Austin, Texas after being arrested for failing to provide ID while jaywalking.

The woman, pulled to a police car in gym clothes, was captured on video shouting, “I didn’t do anything wrong.”


I'm glad this menace to society was removed from the streets.

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77976 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 3:45 pm to
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I hate seeing people die when its not necessary. Like this case. This is over an ID. A freaking ID. Who gives a shite if he shows his ID


oh you were there? you have all the facts. This is the exact part I hate. Do you think he said i am not showing you my idea, and immediately got maced? Thats the least likely incident to have occurred.

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I guess when Jews in Nazi Germany didn't show their papers, the SS was justified in beating them. Should've been more compliant... You and your friends would make excellent SS officers.


slightly different situation, but comparing your opponent to hitler and the NAzis is an internet rhetorical staple.

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Normal citizens should have the power...not the state. It should be hard for them to take any liberty from you. But, I know many of y'all think that's just silly...if you have nothing to hide or haven't comitted a crime you should just comply.


Do you want laws informed or not? Because at some point someone has to be enpwowered to enforce them

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You can show your ID. You can comply. And you can get on the fricking train buddy. Enjoy that ride and learn to hold your breath. Don't mind those fences...they're for your protection.


Now i just question your understanding of history.
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