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re: Making a product "too good". Has this ever been a problem with a product?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:45 pm to bird35
Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:45 pm to bird35
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Also, I talked to a guy who owned two 18 wheeler trucks. He said those things ran well over a million miles.
He claims cars can be made to run that long but there is no incentive to do so.
You can find examples of people running 1,000,000+ miles in traditional consumer vehicles. The Automakers really want to sell new vehicles every few years but just basic maintenance will keep them on the road for 200,000+ miles.
1966 Volvo P1800 - 3,000,000 miles
2006 Chevy Silverado - 1,226,000 miles
1990 Honda Accord - 1,000,000 miles
2007 Toyota Tundra - 1,000,000 miles
1991 Chevy C/K Pickup 1,000,000 miles
2007 GMC Sierra - 1,000,000 miles
2001 Ford F250 - 1,000,000 miles
Most of us get tired of our vehicles way before 1,000,000 miles. If we are willing to maintain them properly and live in a climate that doesn't use a lot of salt to clear the roads, they can last a long time. We have to resist the urge to go out and buy the newest model just because its a little nicer.
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:46 pm to bhtigerfan
I think I read he ran full synthetic.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:47 pm to member12
Sorry about that, the guy is Victor Sheppard of Houma, not New Iberia.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:49 pm to Porky
quote:Very ugly.
Checkers were like tanks and built to last...just ugly
Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:52 pm to Ag Zwin
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A 40 year old microwave? I am not surprised it still works, but I would be wary about the shielding.
Microwaves seem to last forever...as far as we know.
They don't stop working...but...
The only good thing about planned obsolescence is that new technology gets cheap real quick.
This is a 1978 Ad for a microwave.
That would be like a microwave costing $1,657.41 today!!!
Microwaves are like $40 today.
That would be like the above Microwave in the Ad costing $10 in 1978.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:54 pm to bhtigerfan
Most of the "million+" mile examples I can find are pickups and Suburbans. Many seem to be half ton or larger.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 1:55 pm to bhtigerfan
My folks had an avacado green fridge that they bought when they moved into their house in 1975. By the mid 90's my mother wanted to upgrade to newer appliances, so my dad gave the fridge to my uncle, who uses it in his workshop. The S.O.B. is still working. I don't think it will ever die.
At a place where my father-in-law used to work in the early 2000's, there was a small crane there from the 1930's that still worked. Legend had it that the potmarks on the back of it was caused by shrapnel or bullets hitting it when the Japs bombed Darwin in 1942.
As there are lemons in everything, there are the real workhorses, too.
At a place where my father-in-law used to work in the early 2000's, there was a small crane there from the 1930's that still worked. Legend had it that the potmarks on the back of it was caused by shrapnel or bullets hitting it when the Japs bombed Darwin in 1942.
As there are lemons in everything, there are the real workhorses, too.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 2:10 pm to Mike Honcho
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My wife and I bought a refrigerator about 18 months ago and in that time the ice maker has broken 4 times. They have all been covered by warranty (which just ran out) but I wouldn't have expected it from a $3,000 refrigerator.
True story. I've got an Amana fridge I bought 10 years ago. When I was at the store I said to the sales person: "I see it has an ice maker in the freezer."
Him: "Yes sir."
Me: "Take it out at no charge and I'll buy it."
He did. Ice makers break down. I use plastic ice trays and crack them by hand.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 2:10 pm to TheFonz
My dad has a GE refrigerator like this from the 30's at his shop. Still runs fine.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 2:12 pm to Zach
quote:Dam Zack, you are old school.
I use plastic ice trays and crack them by hand.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 2:17 pm to bhtigerfan
I would think the yeti cooler would be an example.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 2:34 pm to LG2BAMA
quote:Nah, they're just marketing geniuses.
I would think the yeti cooler would be an example.
Their price point is ridiculously high compared to regular plastic ice chests.
Yes, they will outlast regular plastic ice chests, but they're heavy as hell and keep ice only slightly better than them.
42 qt Yeti for $380, or Coleman Xtreme 52 qt for $60?
Yeti vs. Coleman
Posted on 2/20/17 at 2:53 pm to bhtigerfan
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This discussion was started because he said that US auto makers purposely made cars that would wear out so you would buy a new one. I disagreed.
US cars of the seventies and up into the eighties were maintenance hogs. I remember working on my car almost every week replacing starter gears, wheel bearings, plugs, points, ball joints, etc, etc... This was not to mention that after about 80K miles major shite started to wear out like transmissions, rear ends, axles, head gaskets, water pumps, timing chains, and the like.
This was called "planned obsolescence" and it almost ran the US auto industry out of business. In 1981 I bought a Toyota Corolla and drove it for 60000 mi and never did anything but oil changes and fluids to it. Still had the original tires on it when I traded it.
The planned obsolescence was more about making money on parts than selling new units. I spent many a Saturday in a U-pullit junkyard. I needed a vacuum reservoir for a Ford Galaxy back about 1976 and Ford wanted $20 for one. It was nothing but a half gallon sized Hi-C can with a vacuum barb on it. Got one instead at the junkyard for $1.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 3:00 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Microwaves seem to last forever...as far as we know.
Built my house 25 yrs ago and still have the original microwave (GE), refrig (Amana), oven (GE), cooktop (magic chef), and Dishwasher (maytag). All Black color and still look good.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 3:04 pm to GetmorewithLes
quote:What years would y'all say that the US auto companies used this strategy? 70'S thru 90's or longer?
US cars of the seventies and up into the eighties were maintenance hogs.
The planned obsolescence was more about making money on parts than selling new units.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 3:05 pm to bhtigerfan
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I personally know two people who had their transmission fluid changed and serviced and their transmission went out within a week.
Do you know if they were over the 100k mile mark? Mechanics will generally warn you that this can happen after a certain amount of mileage. That said, I changed out both the PTU and tranny fluid (PTU didn't even have a drain plug, so had to be sucked out from the fill/top-off hole) at 72k miles and will do both again at 105k. After that, I'll do the tranny every 30k and the PTU every 60k.
Knock on wood, I've never had any issues after a transmission service. In fact, my wife had a 1997 Jeep Cherokee when we were dating and at the first sign of some shifting problems, I had it serviced and that fixed the issue from that point on.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 3:15 pm to Cooter Davenport
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You should check out the ever-falling reliability rankings of BMW and Mercedes from major American publications. Both of them are now making cars that are pretty broadly known to be "lease-only" automobiles, because they tend to suffer major mechanical failures soon after the term of a typical lease ends.
BMW and Mercedes of today are not what they were in say, the early '90s. They've fallen victim of the typically German urge to "over-engineer".
I was wondering when someone would point this out. Absolute truth. Wouldn't own a BMW or Mercedes for anything (not a fan of $250-$400 oil changes, either). They drive wonderfully, no doubt. They just aren't doing it for very long these days.
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Toyota sells an ownership experience. They focus on the vehicle not breaking. They do nothing to impress you performance-wise.
Oh, but they do if you want to pay for it......that's Lexus. Better suspensions, noise-deadening, etc. They are the perfect "in-between".
Posted on 2/20/17 at 3:17 pm to Mike Honcho
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My wife and I bought a refrigerator about 18 months ago and in that time the ice maker has broken 4 times. They have all been covered by warranty (which just ran out) but I wouldn't have expected it from a $3,000 refrigerator.
Stab in the dark here.....it's either a Samsung or an LG, yes?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 3:17 pm to S1C EM
quote:I think so. It happened to a guy I knew and I thought it was strange. Had no transmission problems before the fluid change. Then about a year or so later happened to a friend with a Dodge pickup. I remember telling him about the other guy having the same thing happen. Good tranny to ruined one week after fluid change.
Do you know if they were over the 100k mile mark?
I don't think they were coincidental.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 3:21 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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This is a 1978 Ad for a microwave.
That would be like a microwave costing $1,657.41 today!!!
But it had a "browner" and a temperature probe, yo!
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