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re: Make Mental Institutions Great Again?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:54 am to stout
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:54 am to stout
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The relapse rate for opioid addiction in the first year is over 95%
It's stunning, we know how we do it doesn't work.
People act like Addiction isn't a medical problem.
That somehow 12 months living homeless is better than 12 months of enforced rehab and job training.
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Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:55 am to Rip Torn
quote:If drugs are involved, there is, but they have to get arrested for something first, and it doesn't have to be for drugs. Once a judge sees how nuts they are, they can be ordered to do a drug test, and then rehab of varying length is ordered. I'm not sure about mental health alone, but that's not my situation, and most of these problems are drug related.
There are no powers to compel an adult to seek mental health treatment unless they are criminally insane.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:57 am to blueboy
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Once a judge sees how nuts they are, they can be ordered to do a drug test, and then rehab of varying length is ordered
This might depend on the state or jurisdiction. Here, a person can still check him/herself out of court-mandated rehab. They just have to deal with the consequences of that.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:58 am to Narax
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than 12 months of enforced rehab and job training.
As if this exists for people without means.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:59 am to 4cubbies
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What are the possible options in your view?
Who said I want alternative options.
Fact: There are mentally ill homeless people who are not capable of seeking help on their own and are a net negative on society. As a society, we should be helping those people even if they do not volunteer because they are incapable.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:59 am to 4cubbies
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As if this exists for people without means.
Its always an excuse
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:59 am to LSU Jax
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So just let ‘em overrun the streets and turn downtown areas into shite and make it dangerous for good, law-abiding citizens to venture to said areas. Great.
Go frick yourself.
What does any of this have to do with Medicaid?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:00 am to SDVTiger
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Its always an excuse
By all means, please send them to these facilities. You seem to know where they are.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:01 am to 4cubbies
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I know you think people born with mental illness are scum but it’s not the government’s job to shield you from people that make you uncomfortable. If someone is harassing you or doing something illegal- those things are already against the law. If your local PD refuses to enforce the laws, take it up with them.
Woah Woah, this cannot go unchallenged.
Do you think the majority of homeless drug addicts were born that way?
It's literally the opioids doing it.
How about this as a trade, police pick up a homeless person, Drug test, if they are clean they can go on their merry way.
If they test positive for any drugs, off they go to enforced rehab in an institution.
The only people born drug addicts were those who's mothers abused drugs while pregnant.
My wife used to work with those children, it's heartbreaking.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:02 am to stout
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Who said I want alternative options.
Your participation in this thread gave me the impression you were open to options other than detention to deal with societal ills. I’m clear now that you are only willing to entertain incarceration as a solution to homelessness and mental illness.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:02 am to 4cubbies
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By all means, please send them to these facilities. You seem to know where they are.
Yeah they are everywhere in DTown San Diego. They have tents everywhwre
But you make up every excuse in the book. You are the problem
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:02 am to 4cubbies
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As if this exists for people without means.
I'm saying take my tax dollars please.
If Trump wants to put people into institutions it will solve the first part, the government pays.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:06 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Where has handing people stuff with no strings or expectations ever been proven to foster a functioning society?
Multiple studies suggest social safety nets decrease crime.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:07 am to Narax
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I'm saying take my tax dollars please.
I don’t know if this has ever been posted here before.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:07 am to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
Which is better
Homeless under a bridge or in a place with a roof, 3 meals a day, climate control and at least some medical care
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:08 am to 4cubbies
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I’m clear now that you are only willing to entertain incarceration as a solution to homelessness and mental illness.
You are always so disengenuous, which is why no one takes your views into serious consideration
There is a huge difference in incarceration as punishment vs committing someone to a mental health facility or a drug diversion program as a means to help them.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:09 am to Grumpy Nemesis
Better for whom?
It’s not against to law to be homeless. I don’t support incarcerating people because their existence inconveniences people or makes people uncomfortable.
It’s not against to law to be homeless. I don’t support incarcerating people because their existence inconveniences people or makes people uncomfortable.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:10 am to stout
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There is a huge difference in incarceration as punishment vs committing someone to a mental health facility or a drug diversion program as a means to help them.
Drug diversion programs are typically outpatient.
People who have been involuntarily committed likely disagree with you that it’s different than jail.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:12 am to 4cubbies
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Drug diversion programs are typically outpatient.
Provide everyone a cite for the success rate of outpatient drug diversion programs for opiod addicted individuals.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:13 am to Y.A. Tittle
You seem to be familiar with that stat. You do the honors.
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