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re: LSU Football Supports Social Justice Reform, BLM

Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:36 am to
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5042 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:36 am to
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Are you proposing a majority of the cops are racist?

Do you think they wake up and think, how will I ruin a black man's life today?



police accountability, demilitarized police, end of war on drugs, end of prison industrial complex are all something you should be for if you want to limit gov overreach

BLM and the left just go crazy and take it to far and the real problems and solutions get lost in the BS
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 11:37 am
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:45 am to
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police accountability, demilitarized police, end of war on drugs, end of prison industrial complex are all something you should be for if you want to limit gov overreach

Preach
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BLM and the left just go crazy and take it to far and the real problems and solutions get lost in the BS

And the media does an outstanding job of drowning out the reasonable, thoughtful people associated with the movement in lieu of the ones who make for an intriguing story or sound bite. Their goal is to divide and they’re pros at it
Posted by DaTruth7
Member since Apr 2020
3811 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:01 pm to
Being killed by a cop trends with committing violent crimes for all races. It's not a coincidence.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23251 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:01 pm to
Those studies aren’t properly normalized.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23251 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:13 pm to
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According to a study published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences, over the course of a lifetime, black men face a one in 1,000 risk of being killed during an encounter with police, a rate much higher than that of white men.


Once normalized for individual actions this disparity goes essentially to zero.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:17 pm to
You are using "cherry-picked" stats which indicates your dishonesty. Black males are about 6% of the population, 49% of murders are committed by 6% (black males) of the population. Unarmed means "not in their hands.) That stat does not account for the gun being on the seat/glove box, etc. while the suspect is reaching for it. Also, if someone is being told by the police to keep their hands on the wheel and they disobey and reach for the glove box/center console, what should the officer do? Wait for the gun to come out, thus putting his/her life in grave danger? Statistics without proper analysis are useless and dangerous (especially in your possession). This narrative about police racism is completely made up in an effort to incite unrest and violence. Higher rates/percentages of police interactions of blacks with the police are directly related to the data which shows victim identification of blacks as the perpetrator. You should try doing better research rather than a lazy reading of USA Today/NPR left-wing publications.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:32 pm to
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demilitarized police

What does that mean...exactly? Do you want the criminals to have "bigger" guns than the police?
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end of war on drugs

Sorry....that is just stupid.
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end of prison industrial complex

Wher do you propose we house criminals? Maybe at your house? And please don't try to tell us prisons are overflowing with people convicted of smoking marijuana....that is just not true. Violent criminals are what makes up the majority of our prisons.
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if you want to limit gov overreach

Don't attempt to make this a binary choice...it makes you look and sound stupid.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:40 pm to
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Did you miss this in the post?

No. Your "post" in no way answers the question.
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black men face a one in 1,000 risk of being killed during an encounter with police, a rate much higher than that of white men.

That's because blacks commit violent crimes at a higher rate than whites. Please review "victim data."
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Black men and boys face the highest risk of being killed by police–at a rate of 96 out of 100,000 deaths. By comparison, white men and boys face a lower rate of 39 per 100,000 deaths, despite being a bigger portion of the U.S. population.

Again, your dishonesty is in full view. Blacks commit violent crime at higher rates than whites. See the "victim data" statistics to fully understand. You have probably seen these statistics and are choosing to ignore them. You are dishonest.
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
12995 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:51 pm to
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Did they march or protest when Wayde died? Literally 2 years ago. In Baton Rouge. And an LSU athlete



I find it odd 31 people downvoted this.


Only time black lives matter is if it a white person doing the killing.
Fact
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39982 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:02 pm to
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end of war on drugs

Sorry....that is just stupid.

I thought we as a society had come to the conclusion that prohibition is a futile endeavor. It won’t and doesn’t and never has helped curtail gun violence and certainly hasn’t done a goddamn thing to curtail drug addiction. The only way forward is to stop creating criminality out of human pain and suffering and substance possession. The war on drugs is and always has been an abysmal failure.

On that token, private, for-profit prisons should be 100% banned.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5042 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:20 pm to
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What does that mean...exactly? Do you want the criminals to have "bigger" guns than the police?


You think police need those trucks that look like tanks, grenades, multiple helicopters, etc
Only Chicago, NY swat would ever need any of this but they have dept in bumfrick
Alabama with all these things.

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Sorry....that is just stupid

Yea let’s just throwing millions on a losing battle that has been a failure for 25+ years. Bet you think Iraq was good war and we should still have troops there and Afghanistan

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Wher do you propose we house criminals? Maybe at your house? And please don't try to tell us prisons are overflowing with people convicted of smoking marijuana....that is just not true. Violent criminals are what makes up the majority of our prisons


George Floyd got out in 5 years. Probably to make room for some non violent offender who make up 30% of the prison pop. If you don’t think these prison/ sheriffs are locking up people that that need to be in rehab, mental facilities then you are an idiot

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Don't attempt to make this a binary choice...it makes you look and sound stupid.

If you can’t see the gov in any form is about control after this corona crap then I can’t help you
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78848 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:36 pm to
Your argument is oddly appealing to large chunks of both Left and Right. Libertarian- style Republicans and Bernie Bros mostly are in agreement. Crazy huh?
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:21 pm to
Nope
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:33 pm to
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I thought we as a society had come to the conclusion that prohibition is a futile endeavor.

Nope. Maybe you did, but not me....or the majority of society.
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It won’t and doesn’t and never has helped curtail gun violence and certainly hasn’t done a goddamn thing to curtail drug addiction.

First thing...there is no such thing as "gun violence." You and your leftist buddies made that up. Guns don't commit violence. It is impossible for a gun to commit violence. People commit violence.....with guns, knives, baseball bats, pencils, etc.
Your statement, "certainly hasn’t done a goddamn thing to curtail drug addiction" has no basis in statistics since we (US) have nothing to compare it (legalized drugs) to. Therefore your statement is untrue.
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The only way forward is to stop creating criminality out of human pain and suffering and substance possession.

If this is true (which it is not), why not extend this philosophy to murder, rape, etc. You are in search of a "reason" to justify your desired outcome (legalized drugs).
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The war on drugs is and always has been an abysmal failure.

Based on what?
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On that token, private, for-profit prisons should be 100% banned.

Why? Because if we had fewer prison beds, that would force society to release more criminals out on the streets? Stupid.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39982 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:37 pm to
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First thing...there is no such thing as "gun violence." You and your leftist buddies made that up. Guns don't commit violence. It is impossible for a gun to commit violence. People commit violence

Oh for frick’s sake
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Your statement, "certainly hasn’t done a goddamn thing to curtail drug addiction" has no basis in statistics since we (US) have nothing to compare it (legalized drugs) to. Therefore your statement is untrue.

Except we absolutely do. I tried to be reasonable and find some common ground with you, like I am able to with countless reasonable conservative minded people in my circle of friends and family, but you are helplessly clueless. You’re in here defending the goddamn war on drugs? Just amazing. Good luck out there man
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 4:40 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47970 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:44 pm to
Nothing in your post makes any sense at all or bears any relevance to mine. You basically recited irrelevant talking points, ad hominem attacks and smears because you have no answers. This is the usual angry response for people like you who can’t explain your shallow tactics and accusations so I’m not that surprised. You’re ignorant, you have a very narrow and controlled view of the world which makes you a hypocrite. Parroting “the right” political agenda is still a fricking political agenda dumbass. Just thankful, even though we had some tense moments, last nights group was very civil and reasonable.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:47 pm to
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You think police need those trucks that look like tanks, grenades, multiple helicopters, etc

Yes. Next question.
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Yea let’s just throwing millions on a losing battle that has been a failure for 25+ years.

Based on what US statistic? Our society is unique and the best in the world.
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Bet you think Iraq was good war and we should still have troops there and Afghanistan

Good wars....yes. Executed poorly...yes. Instead of going door to door asking, "are you a terrorist," we should of leveled each block where we had evidence of a terrorist (fired a shot at one of our troops, seen with weapons from a drone/helicopter, etc.). Trump getting our troops out is a good idea. Although we (Bush/Obama) executed the war poorly, we were able to put a boot up the arse of the terrorists. That had to be done to prove to them we would respond to attacks on US citizens.
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George Floyd got out in 5 years.

That was a mistake.....he should of received more than 5 years for holding a gun on a pregnant woman's belly.
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If you don’t think these prison/ sheriffs are locking up people that that need to be in rehab, mental facilities then you are an idiot

So, a person who is a psychopathic murderer who "might" benefit from counseling should not be in prison? You are nuts.
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If you can’t see the gov in any form is about control after this corona crap then I can’t help you

Again, it's not a binary choice. Framing everything as binary might seem to help you justify your pitiful arguments, but that does not make it intelligent.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:55 pm to
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Except we absolutely do.

Where? There is no "nirvana." No society is "perfect." You are (since you refuse to offer data, I'm guessing) attempting to create data based on a "perfect society" which will never exist. That's the issue with statements criticizing our efforts to curtail illegal drug use in the US. I hope you are having fun on meth.
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You’re in here defending the goddamn war on drugs?

Yep...and you are pissed because you want to continue to use illegal drugs and not have to worry about the police. Sorry.....why don't you sign up for treatment and get yourself clean?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47970 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:57 pm to
It’s like arguing with news personalities. They just throw ignorant talking point after talking point at you while scoffing at data. They can’t even make it to the starting line of the discussion because their beliefs are made up. 1 non racially motivated crime trumps hundreds of negligent murders, It’s insane.


Btw I don’t mean black people, I’m talking about the ignorant loony’s. I’m a pastors kid, my dads church is 80+% black and maybe a handful of them agree with these riots and protest. This is yet another short con.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 4:58 pm
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39982 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 5:04 pm to
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Yep...and you are pissed because you want to continue to use illegal drugs and not have to worry about the police.

The irony of a purported conservative actually typing out this drivel is breathtaking. You’re goddamn right I want to use “illegal drugs” and not have to worry about the police - so you at least got that right. I’m an adult and if I want to smoke a little weed after a long day of work I’m going to. You can kindly go frick yourself
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